[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 2970, Issue 1
Gordon Laco via Public-List
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Wed Jan 28 08:04:15 PST 2015
Hello Dan -
If you have access to a mast crane, laying the mast on trestles while you do
this work will make everything easy. Are you in a club where you've got a
crane you can use?
Gord #426 Surprise
On 28/01/15 11:00 AM, "Daniel Swords via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Thanks for all the help. I do have the wire to rope and the rope part won't
> pull through and I am switching to all rope so it looks like I may be making
> several trips up the mast. I need the exercise.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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>> 1. re. haylard replacment (Ryan Martin via Public-List)
>> 2. Re: re. haylard replacment (Michael Connolly via Public-List)
>> 3. haylard replacment (Ryan Martin via Public-List)
>> 4. Re: re. haylard replacment (George Dinwiddie via Public-List)
>> 5. Re: re. haylard replacment (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
>> 6. Re: re. halyard replacement (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
>> 7. Re: re. halyard replacement (Jay Davenport via Public-List)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:24:20 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Ryan Martin via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: "public-list at lists.alberg30.org" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
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>> ?If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be guide
>> plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going through.?
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 00:30:40 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Michael Connolly via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Ryan Martin <ramblerdog01 at yahoo.com>, Alberg 30 Public List --
>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
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>> Ryan,
>> So in that case what would you do?? Attach a messenger to the wire at the
>> mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the wire up and
>> then down the mast, detach the messenger and then reattach the new wire part
>> of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire up and then down the mast with the
>> messenger? I guess the shackle would have to be removed and then reattached
>> so only the wire passes around the mast head sheave.
>>
>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>> ?
>> Michael #133
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>
>> ?If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be guide
>> plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going through.?
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>> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 01:30:08 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Ryan Martin via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: [Public-List] haylard replacment
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>> On Reverie I could find no answer to replace the mail haylard without going
>> up the mast.Wire to rope and the guide plates did not let the rope through.If
>> staying with wire to rope I guess it`s possible to do as mentioned. On my
>> boat I wound up replacing all the standing rigging and the main sheave and am
>> now trying dyneema for a haylard.My only worry about a messenger line to wire
>> would be that the wire could be to stiff to make the turn around the sheave
>> without hitting either the inside of the mast or the guide plate,but I never
>> tried so...
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:58:24 -0500
>> From: George Dinwiddie via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>, Alberg 30 Public List --
>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>> Message-ID: <54C84240.7070805 at alberg30.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>
>> - George
>>
>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>> Ryan,
>>> So in that case what would you do? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>
>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>
>>> Michael #133
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>
>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>> through.
>>
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>> I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:56:56 -0500
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>, Alberg 30 Public List
>> -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, Michael Connolly
>> <crufone at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>> Message-ID: <D0EE54D8.1EF22%mainstay at csolve.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Makes sense to me.
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27/01/15 8:58 PM, "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>>
>>> - George
>>>
>>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>>> Ryan,
>>>> So in that case what would you do? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>>
>>>> Michael #133
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>>
>>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>>> through.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:07:09 -0500
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
>> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, George Dinwiddie
>> <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. halyard replacement
>> Message-ID: <D0EE573D.1EF26%mainstay at csolve.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Hello again -
>>
>> I've kicked around the concept of using a high-performance tapered spinnaker
>> sheet for a main halyard wire replacement. Ideally, the exposed aramid core
>> of the tapered sheet would run where the wire currently does in my rig....
>> That way I wouldn't have to rebuild the sheave box and replace the sheave.
>>
>> A tapered sheet is a line where there is a core of very low stretch exotic
>> fibre, which has a sheath on the part to be handled of polyester. In effect
>> the same principal as a wire/rope halyard in the old days.
>>
>> At this point I have to point out the flawed logic in this course of
>> reasoning.... I'm in the midst of re-reading 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
>> Maintenance' which of course isn't about maintaining bikes at all, rather
>> it's about purity of logic, clear thinking, truth, etc, using the machine's
>> pure needs as a metaphor....
>>
>> So, if I want to get away from the wire halyard, I really should do it right
>> and make the sheave and it's fittings serve the new halyard... Not the other
>> way around, which would be fudging up a halyard to imitate the old wire so
>> that I could keep using the old sheave....
>>
>> Hmmmm
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>> On 28/01/15 8:56 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Makes sense to me.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/01/15 8:58 PM, "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>>>
>>>> - George
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>> So in that case what would you do? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael #133
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>>>
>>>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>>>> through.
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:03:07 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Jay Davenport via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
>> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, George Dinwiddie
>> <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>,
>> Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. halyard replacement
>> Message-ID:
>> <1527293093.1121106.1422457387174.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> I replaced the sheave on Revolution, #526, when I decided to move from a
>> wire/rope halyard to a 3/8" rope halyard. I gave the old sheave to a local
>> machine shop, and told them to duplicate it, but to cut a 3/8" channel around
>> it's edge instead of the narrow channel for wire in the old sheave. I also
>> told them to reduce the diameter of the sheave to accommodate the greater
>> thickness of the 3/8" line passing over it. This prevents the 3/8" line from
>> binding against the top of the sheave box.
>> The new sheave was an easy install, and has given me years of trouble-free
>> service.
>> Jay Davenport
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>; George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>;
>> Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. halyard replacement
>>
>> Hello again -
>>
>> I've kicked around the concept of using a high-performance tapered spinnaker
>> sheet for a main halyard wire replacement.? Ideally, the exposed aramid core
>> of the tapered sheet would run where the wire currently does in my rig....
>> That way I wouldn't have to rebuild the sheave box and replace the sheave.
>>
>> A tapered sheet is a line where there is a core of very low stretch exotic
>> fibre, which has a sheath on the part to be handled of polyester.? In effect
>> the same principal as a wire/rope halyard in the old days.
>>
>> At this point I have to point out the flawed logic in this course of
>> reasoning....? I'm in the midst of re-reading 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
>> Maintenance' which of course isn't about maintaining bikes at all, rather
>> it's about purity of logic, clear thinking, truth, etc, using the machine's
>> pure needs as a metaphor....
>>
>> So, if I want to get away from the wire halyard, I really should do it right
>> and make the sheave and it's fittings serve the new halyard... Not the other
>> way around, which would be fudging up a halyard to imitate the old wire so
>> that I could keep using the old sheave....
>>
>> Hmmmm
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>> On 28/01/15 8:56 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Makes sense to me.
>>>
>>> G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27/01/15 8:58 PM, "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>>>
>>>> ? - George
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>> So in that case what would you do?? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael #133
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>>>
>>>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>>>> through.
>>>
>>>
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