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Daniel Swords via Public-List
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Wed Jan 28 08:00:27 PST 2015
Thanks for all the help. I do have the wire to rope and the rope part won't pull through and I am switching to all rope so it looks like I may be making several trips up the mast. I need the exercise.
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> 1. re. haylard replacment (Ryan Martin via Public-List)
> 2. Re: re. haylard replacment (Michael Connolly via Public-List)
> 3. haylard replacment (Ryan Martin via Public-List)
> 4. Re: re. haylard replacment (George Dinwiddie via Public-List)
> 5. Re: re. haylard replacment (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
> 6. Re: re. halyard replacement (Gordon Laco via Public-List)
> 7. Re: re. halyard replacement (Jay Davenport via Public-List)
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> From: Ryan Martin via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> ?If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going through.?
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> Ryan,
> So in that case what would you do?? Attach a messenger to the wire at the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes around the mast head sheave.
>
> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
> ?
> Michael #133
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> ?If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going through.?
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> On Reverie I could find no answer to replace the mail haylard without going up the mast.Wire to rope and the guide plates did not let the rope through.If staying with wire to rope I guess it`s possible to do as mentioned. On my boat I wound up replacing all the standing rigging and the main sheave and am now trying dyneema for a haylard.My only worry about a messenger line to wire would be that the wire could be to stiff to make the turn around the sheave without hitting either the inside of the mast or the guide plate,but I never tried so...
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> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:58:24 -0500
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> Michael,
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> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>
> - George
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>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>> Ryan,
>> So in that case what would you do? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>> around the mast head sheave.
>>
>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>
>> Michael #133
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
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>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>> through.
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> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:56:56 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
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> Makes sense to me.
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> G
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> On 27/01/15 8:58 PM, "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> Michael,
>>
>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>
>> - George
>>
>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>> Ryan,
>>> So in that case what would you do? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>
>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>
>>> Michael #133
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>
>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>> through.
>
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> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:07:09 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, George Dinwiddie
> <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. halyard replacement
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> Hello again -
>
> I've kicked around the concept of using a high-performance tapered spinnaker
> sheet for a main halyard wire replacement. Ideally, the exposed aramid core
> of the tapered sheet would run where the wire currently does in my rig....
> That way I wouldn't have to rebuild the sheave box and replace the sheave.
>
> A tapered sheet is a line where there is a core of very low stretch exotic
> fibre, which has a sheath on the part to be handled of polyester. In effect
> the same principal as a wire/rope halyard in the old days.
>
> At this point I have to point out the flawed logic in this course of
> reasoning.... I'm in the midst of re-reading 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
> Maintenance' which of course isn't about maintaining bikes at all, rather
> it's about purity of logic, clear thinking, truth, etc, using the machine's
> pure needs as a metaphor....
>
> So, if I want to get away from the wire halyard, I really should do it right
> and make the sheave and it's fittings serve the new halyard... Not the other
> way around, which would be fudging up a halyard to imitate the old wire so
> that I could keep using the old sheave....
>
> Hmmmm
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
> On 28/01/15 8:56 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> Makes sense to me.
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27/01/15 8:58 PM, "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>>
>>> - George
>>>
>>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>>> Ryan,
>>>> So in that case what would you do? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>>
>>>> Michael #133
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>>
>>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>>> through.
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 15:03:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Jay Davenport via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, George Dinwiddie
> <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>,
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> I replaced the sheave on Revolution, #526, when I decided to move from a wire/rope halyard to a 3/8" rope halyard. I gave the old sheave to a local machine shop, and told them to duplicate it, but to cut a 3/8" channel around it's edge instead of the narrow channel for wire in the old sheave. I also told them to reduce the diameter of the sheave to accommodate the greater thickness of the 3/8" line passing over it. This prevents the 3/8" line from binding against the top of the sheave box.
> The new sheave was an easy install, and has given me years of trouble-free service.
> Jay Davenport
> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>; George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>; Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] re. halyard replacement
>
> Hello again -
>
> I've kicked around the concept of using a high-performance tapered spinnaker
> sheet for a main halyard wire replacement.? Ideally, the exposed aramid core
> of the tapered sheet would run where the wire currently does in my rig....
> That way I wouldn't have to rebuild the sheave box and replace the sheave.
>
> A tapered sheet is a line where there is a core of very low stretch exotic
> fibre, which has a sheath on the part to be handled of polyester.? In effect
> the same principal as a wire/rope halyard in the old days.
>
> At this point I have to point out the flawed logic in this course of
> reasoning....? I'm in the midst of re-reading 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
> Maintenance' which of course isn't about maintaining bikes at all, rather
> it's about purity of logic, clear thinking, truth, etc, using the machine's
> pure needs as a metaphor....
>
> So, if I want to get away from the wire halyard, I really should do it right
> and make the sheave and it's fittings serve the new halyard... Not the other
> way around, which would be fudging up a halyard to imitate the old wire so
> that I could keep using the old sheave....
>
> Hmmmm
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
> On 28/01/15 8:56 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> Makes sense to me.
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27/01/15 8:58 PM, "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> That's the way I did it many years ago.
>>>
>>> ? - George
>>>
>>>> On 1/27/15 7:30 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List wrote:
>>>> Ryan,
>>>> So in that case what would you do?? Attach a messenger to the wire at
>>>> the mast winch and pull the line part of the halyard to remove the
>>>> wire up and then down the mast, detach the messenger and then
>>>> reattach the new wire part of the wire/line halyard and haul the wire
>>>> up and then down the mast with the messenger? I guess the shackle
>>>> would have to be removed and then reattached so only the wire passes
>>>> around the mast head sheave.
>>>>
>>>> Ryan/Gord, what is your take on this?
>>>>
>>>> Michael #133
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ryan Martin via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:24:20 PM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] re. haylard replacment
>>>>
>>>> If you still have wire to rope for your mainsail haylard there may be
>>>> guide plates on the mast preventing something like a 3/8 line going
>>>> through.
>>
>>
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