[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3078, Issue 2

Tue Jul 28 12:34:44 PDT 2015



    I  also have a Harken furler and I am very happy with it. One initial problem I had was too much slack in the headstay making it very difficult to furle the sail in a strong wind (the foil extrusion needs to be reasonably straight and tight to act as an axle to wind the sail around it),  but once I appropriately adjusted the backstay tension this problem went away. Before realizing why the sail was hard to furle in strong winds I had installed a small self-tailing Anderson winch so I could winch the sail in and even though I no longer need to use the winch I still do because I find it easier to wind the sail in with one hand while controlling the sheet tension with the other (I am always single-handed). My boat had the perfect winch pedestal location,  I guess intended for spinnaker winches? And so the winch installation was very simple. Solitude (525) 
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------ Original message------From: via Public-List Date: Tue, Jul 28, 2015 2:03 PMTo: public-list at lists.alberg30.org;Subject:Public-List Digest, Vol 3078, Issue 2
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Re: Head sail furler (Jim Davis via Public-List)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:13:36 -0700From: Glenn Brooks via Public-List To: Allen LoCicero ,	Alberg 30 Public List --	open to all Subject: Re: [Public-List] Head sail furlerMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-asciiHarken makes a fantastic furler.  I've never had any trouble deploying or taking in the Genoa with the one I put on Dolce. Makes sailing single or short handed a whole lot easier, if the lines are run back to the cockpit.  The Harken drum design prevents lash ups  and although I ran the control line through three,  I think, small turning blocks, it didn't seem to offer unnecessary resistance.The only difficulty I can remember in taking in the Genoa, was reducing sail down to storm jyb size in 60 kts.  It took a bit of effort to reefer in, and I think we luffed up a bit- or maybe let out the Genoa sheets a a bit, to get the line started. As you take in sail, of course it gets easier, due to less wind pressure on the smaller sail area.Rolling out the agenda with a Harken, is just - let go the control line and let the wind pull out the sail- no problems...One thing - I used 1/8" or maybe 3/16" braided yacht line, which is not limp like smaller light weight line.  So the yacht braid itself resists any tendency to backlash on itself.Glenn Sent from my iPad> On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Allen LoCicero via Public-List  wrote:> > I want to thank everyone for the fast response.Again, thank you all.Allen > > >     On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 12:23 PM, Wes Gardner  wrote:> > > As others have noted, the control line for "winding 'er up" and deploying is a bit sensitive, this is true in my experience with all furlers. I always have my crew (or myself when single handing) provide "gentle tension" on the jib sheet when furling and since my control line is lead all the way aft, I have the driver (or myself) provide the same tension when deploying...they make blocks that mount on the stanchions that typically can be placed to get "that angle" just right so the control line feeds onto and out from the drum...yes it takes a bit of tweaking...> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com> wrote:> > Allen,> Have a Furlex S200 that came with #262.   I am NOT used to roller furlers.   Have been using hank on sails on TC William's Argo #247 and MIke Nikolich's Skybird #550 for more than fifteen years without problems.> The issues that I have been encountering with the Furlex S200 is that    >   - too much tension on the genoa sheets while furling causes the furler to stick and stop turning when pulling on the furling line....the tension on the sheets is intended to create a tighter, cleaner furl.      > >   - too little tension, or no tension, on the furling line when deploying the genoa can allow the furling line to become fouled inside the drum.   Last Friday had an incident in which the furling line appeared to have overrides within the drum and a bight of line became stuck between the line guard and the bottom of the drum.  Was able to free it though a combination of rolling some, unrolling some, pushing and prodding the roller line while uttering the appropriate remarks.> Must admit that rolling up the genoa at the end of a sail is much faster and easier than unhanking and folding the sail.> Would suggest that you might    >   - find a number of folks with a variety of roller furlers and sail with them before committing funds, and   > >   - consider the PracticalSailor review of roller furlers.  Appears that the August 2009 issue may be the most recent review.> > Jonathan> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List  wrote:> > Profurl and Furlex are the only two I have experience with.  I bought my> current boat with a Furlex - works every time...> > Wes> #196 Griffin's Faith> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Allen LoCicero via Public-List <> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:> >> I want to add a furler. I was considering a Facnor LS130. Does anyone have>> any experience with Facnor orcould you recommend another?>> AllenA30 520>> _______________________________________________>> These businesses support your Association:>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html>> Please support them.>> _______________________________________________>> Public-List mailing list>> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org>> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org> _______________________________________________> These businesses support your Association:> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html> Please support them.> _______________________________________________> Public-List mailing list> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org> > > > > -- > Jonathan M BreslerAlberg 30 #262Annapolis/Eastport MD> > > > > _______________________________________________> These businesses support your Association:> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html> Please support them.> _______________________________________________> Public-List mailing list> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:28:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00)From: Jim Davis via Public-List To: A30 Public List Subject: Re: [Public-List] Head sail furlerMessage-ID:	<22324250.1438108128664.JavaMail.root at mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"   I've been using Profurl for a couple decades and am happy with their   furlers.   The remarks about sheet and furling line tension are on the   mark.  Another area is halyard tension.  If it is too tight you can   deform the bearings.  It also makes it hard to furl.  Unlike "hank on"   furlers support the full length of the sail and you do not need a lot   of tension for a straight luff.  Put just enough tension to get a   smooth surface, no more.  Also it is worth easing the halyard an inch   or so when you put the boat to bed, just to ease the bearings.   Also occasionally give the lower drum a good rinse with fresh water,   this reduces salt build up.Jim DavisPrivateer Isa LeiIf man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionaryreversal of his record we have ever known.George C. MarshallFrom: Allen LoCicero via Public-List To: Wes Gardner ,     Jonathan Bresler        <262alberg30 at gmail.com>Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all        Subject: Re: [Public-List] Head sail furlerMessage-ID:        <712324954.3883902.1438104842468.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8I want to thank everyone for the fast response.Again, thank you all.Allen     On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 12:23 PM, Wes Gardner wrote: As others have noted, the control line for "winding 'er up" and deploying is abit sensitive, this is true in my experience with all furlers. I always have mycrew (or myself when single handing) provide "gentle tension" on the jib sheet when furling and since my control line is lead all the way aft, I have the driver (or myself) provide the same tension when deploying...they make blocks that mount on the stanchions that typically can be placed to get "that angle" just right so the control line feeds onto and out from the drum...yes it takes a bit of tweaking...On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com> wrote:Allen,Have a Furlex S200 that came with #262. ? I am NOT used to roller furlers. ? Have been using hank on sails on TC William's Argo #247 and MIke Nikolich's Skybird #550 for more than fifteen years without problems.The issues that I have been encountering with the Furlex S200 is that?   - too much tension on the genoa sheets while furling causes the furler to stick and stop turning when pulling on the furling line....the tension on the sheets is intended to create a tighter, cleaner furl. ??   - too little tension, or no tension, on the furling line when deploying the genoa can allow the furling line to become fouled inside the drum. ? Last Fridayhad an incident in which the furling line appeared to have overrides within thedrum and a bight of line became stuck between the line guard and the bottom of the drum.? Was able to free it though a combination of rolling some, unrolling some, pushing and prodding the roller line while uttering the appropriate remarks.Must admit that rolling up the genoa at the end of a sail is much faster and easier than unhanking and folding the sail.Would suggest that you might?   - find a number of folks with a variety of roller furlers and sail with thembefore committing funds, and   - consider the PracticalSailor review of roller furlers.? Appears that the August 2009 issue may be the most recent review.JonathanOn Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List  wrote:Profurl and Furlex are the only two I have experience with.? I bought mycurrent boat with a Furlex - works every time...Wes#196 Griffin's Faith------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________These businesses support your Association:http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.htmlPlease support them._______________________________________________Public-List mailing listPublic-List at lists.alberg30.orghttp://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org------------------------------End of Public-List Digest, Vol 3078, Issue 2********************************************