[Public-List] Seaflo Bilge Pumps

Fri Jul 24 06:52:15 PDT 2015

The Gusher is a great pump.

At boat shows the distributor used to have an impressive demonstration
running in a big tank full of rope and rags.  The Gusher 10 was able to keep
pumping water while drawing the debris through.

I had a Gusher 25 in the wooden Folkboat.  Basically it was a two chamber
Gusher 10 so it threw water on both strokes... We used to joke that when
pumping with it we could feel the boat jerking upwards at each stroke...

A Gusher 10 and certainly a 25 will move more water than most electric pumps
(barring engine driven units)  And it's been proven that their performance
tends to INCREASE when the chips are down due to the concetrated motivation
of the operator.  An electric pump will operate only to rated capacity and
so long as the electrical system is strong.

Gord #426 Surprise

On 24/07/15 9:42 AM, "Rod via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
wrote:

> I would not discard the Gusher. Mine would not pump at all simply because the
> flapper valves were stiff with age and held open by grit.  A rebuild kit with
> all the rubber parts was available at my local marine store and the job is not
> rocket science. 

Cheers,  Rod 

<div>-------- Original message
> --------</div><div>From: Jonathan Bresler via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> </div><div>Date:24-07-2015  9:12 AM
> (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Alberg 30 Public
> List -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> </div><div>Subject: Re:
> [Public-List] Seaflo Bilge Pumps </div><div>
</div>Thank you all for the
> information provided.
The community of Albergers is a wonderful
> source.

Sounds like I need to do the following:

   - replace the existing
> Rule 500 with a higher flow automatic pump.
    1500gph or larger.
   -
> replace the existing failed Whale Gusher 10 mk3 with a functioning
   manual
> bilge pump that is plumbed to a thruhull fitting located well above
   the
> water line for discharge of bilge water.  Preferably the pump should be

> operable from the helm.
   - If installing a second bilge pump, mount it
> higher in the bilge on a
   dedicated circuit with an alarm that can be heard
> over the sound of the
   engine and wake a sleeping sailor.
   - Avoid
> Rule-a-matic float switches....they tend to fail within a year
   of
> installation.

Two questions come to mind:

   1. Does anyone have experience
> with a SeaFlo 3000 GPH-01 bilge pump (

> http://www.seaflo.com/en/productDetail_288.html)
   2. Any recommendations for
> a bilge pump float switch ?   Found this one
   on Amazon "Bilge Pump Switch"
> from Aqualarm

> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NO8T8LM/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=
> 1&smid=A2ZIKXX4EPGB74

Jonathan

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Gordon Laco
> via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Once upon a time
> it was regulation that Canadian yachts had to have their
> manual bilge pumps
> mounted so that the pump was operable by the helmsman
> without opening a
> hatch.  Surprise has one if these and I like everything
> about the
> concept.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
> On 2015-07-20, at 7:39 PM, Jon Budington
> via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > I installed a
> Whale Gusher on Nimble. The pump is in the lazarette, and
> the handle comes
> out right near the tiller. I figured I could steer and
> pump at the same time
> this way. I store the handle in a spring clip inside
> the lazarette hatch. I
> haven't used my electric bilge pump since - I should
> probably test it.
> >
>
> > Jon Budington
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 20, 2015, at 6:30
> PM, Amy & David Swanson via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would second all that Glenn said.  Seriously consider a
> manual pump
> that can be operated from the cockpit.  If you do go with 2
> eletric pumps,
> mount the second (larger) one higher, and wire it on its own
> circuit (I
> wired mine to a different battery).  Make sure you have an alarm
> and/or LED
> indicator visible inside & in the cockpit so you can know if it
> comes on,
> especially when motoring. If it comes on, something is not right
> &you want
> to know.  Also think about your discharge.  Our boat #219 had a
> single
> large Rule in the bilge with a hose you have to pull out of the
> cockpit
> locker & hang over the side.  Not cool, especially when I let it
> hang all
> the way down to the water & it back-siphoned half the river into
> the boat.
> >>
> >>> On 7/20/2015 1:05 PM, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> wrote:
> >>> Hello Jonathan,
> >>>
> >>> Congratulations on your new boat!
>
> >>>
> >>> Personal opinion is 500 GPM is a bit small for a primary bilge
> pump
> aboard an a30.  I've used a manual Rule 1500 for many years on Dolce
> and
> have been happy with it.  One can put in a secondary electric pump,
> but
> some, including myself opt for a good second manual whale gusher pump-
>
> perhaps located in the cockpit.  A whale gusher moves a lot of water and
>
> does not depend on battery power to work.  If your batteries are in the
>
> bilge below the floor boards, your power source is at great risk if the
> boat
> experiences flooding.  Hence a whale gusher is a great alternative and
> back
> up.
> >>>
> >>> A wood of caution about Rule float switches - they are
> absolute
> garbage - with failure rates reported on the Cruising World forum
> as
> frequently as 6 to 9 months after installation.  I replaced something
> like
> 6 or 7 of these horrible things in 9 years on Dolce. The most recent
> lasted
> less than 9 months. So said enuf is enuf and  finally went with a
> solid
> state sensor  switch.  Have advocated boycotting Rule ever since.
>
> >>>
> >>> If you do install two electric switches, be sure to check the
>
> manufacturers recommended wiring plan.  They have to be wired In series I>
> think, or better yet, with separate wring harness into separate breakers,> to
> avoid the prospect of burning out the pumps when both are in operation.
> This
> happened to me after an inopportune grounding up in northern Canadian
> waters
> years ago when we sprung our garboard planks and started taking on
> copious
> water.  Both pumps shorted because of improper wiring method. No
> fun at all
> that day...
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Glenn B.
> >>> Boatless in
> Seattle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul
> 20, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> After racing with TC Williams and Mike Nikolich in the Annapolis
> Yacht
> Club
> >>>> Wednesday Night Races and some weekend races, for about 15 years,
> I
> finally
> >>>> bought a boat!   Bought #262 from Tom Baker two months ago.
> Thank
> you,
> >>>> Tom! Have been having a wonderful time sailing her and
> introducing my
> >>>> family to sailing.
> >>>>
>
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