[Public-List] Seaflo Bilge Pumps

Gordon Laco via Public-List public-list at lists.alberg30.org
Fri Jul 24 10:07:23 PDT 2015 

I'd guess having the big pump high would mean it and it's wiring was kept
completely dry by the automatic function of the little pump... Until some
emergency happened...  Not a bad idea...  The clock wouldn't start on
whatever its resistance to water was until it was actually in use...

Gord Surprise #426



On 24/07/15 1:00 PM, "Anders Bro via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I wonder a bit about the placement of the large bilge pump. What is the
> justification for having it positioned higher than the small one? I
> could guess that you might do so to actuate when the water level gets
> really high... but that is not a function of the height of the pump, but
> rather the location of the switch. With this in mind, I might be
> inclined to position both pumps as low as possible but perhaps position
> the two switches at different elevations?
> Any thoughts there?
> Thanks,
> Anders
> 
> 
> On 07/24/2015 09:12 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List wrote:
>> Thank you all for the information provided.
>> The community of Albergers is a wonderful source.
>> 
>> Sounds like I need to do the following:
>> 
>>     - replace the existing Rule 500 with a higher flow automatic pump.
>>      1500gph or larger.
>>     - replace the existing failed Whale Gusher 10 mk3 with a functioning
>>     manual bilge pump that is plumbed to a thruhull fitting located well
>> above
>>     the water line for discharge of bilge water.  Preferably the pump should
>> be
>>     operable from the helm.
>>     - If installing a second bilge pump, mount it higher in the bilge on a
>>     dedicated circuit with an alarm that can be heard over the sound of the
>>     engine and wake a sleeping sailor.
>>     - Avoid Rule-a-matic float switches....they tend to fail within a year
>>     of installation.
>> 
>> Two questions come to mind:
>> 
>>     1. Does anyone have experience with a SeaFlo 3000 GPH-01 bilge pump (
>>     http://www.seaflo.com/en/productDetail_288.html)
>>     2. Any recommendations for a bilge pump float switch ?   Found this one
>>     on Amazon "Bilge Pump Switch" from Aqualarm
>>     
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NO8T8LM/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc
>> =1&smid=A2ZIKXX4EPGB74
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Once upon a time it was regulation that Canadian yachts had to have their
>>> manual bilge pumps mounted so that the pump was operable by the helmsman
>>> without opening a hatch.  Surprise has one if these and I like everything
>>> about the concept.
>>> 
>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>> 
>>> On 2015-07-20, at 7:39 PM, Jon Budington via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I installed a Whale Gusher on Nimble. The pump is in the lazarette, and
>>> the handle comes out right near the tiller. I figured I could steer and
>>> pump at the same time this way. I store the handle in a spring clip inside
>>> the lazarette hatch. I haven't used my electric bilge pump since - I should
>>> probably test it.
>>>> Jon Budington
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Amy & David Swanson via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> I would second all that Glenn said.  Seriously consider a manual pump
>>> that can be operated from the cockpit.  If you do go with 2 eletric pumps,
>>> mount the second (larger) one higher, and wire it on its own circuit (I
>>> wired mine to a different battery).  Make sure you have an alarm and/or LED
>>> indicator visible inside & in the cockpit so you can know if it comes on,
>>> especially when motoring. If it comes on, something is not right  &you want
>>> to know.  Also think about your discharge.  Our boat #219 had a single
>>> large Rule in the bilge with a hose you have to pull out of the cockpit
>>> locker & hang over the side.  Not cool, especially when I let it hang all
>>> the way down to the water & it back-siphoned half the river into the boat.
>>>>>> On 7/20/2015 1:05 PM, Glenn Brooks via Public-List wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Congratulations on your new boat!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personal opinion is 500 GPM is a bit small for a primary bilge pump
>>> aboard an a30.  I've used a manual Rule 1500 for many years on Dolce and
>>> have been happy with it.  One can put in a secondary electric pump, but
>>> some, including myself opt for a good second manual whale gusher pump-
>>> perhaps located in the cockpit.  A whale gusher moves a lot of water and
>>> does not depend on battery power to work.  If your batteries are in the
>>> bilge below the floor boards, your power source is at great risk if the
>>> boat experiences flooding.  Hence a whale gusher is a great alternative and
>>> back up.
>>>>>> A wood of caution about Rule float switches - they are absolute
>>> garbage - with failure rates reported on the Cruising World forum as
>>> frequently as 6 to 9 months after installation.  I replaced something like
>>> 6 or 7 of these horrible things in 9 years on Dolce. The most recent lasted
>>> less than 9 months. So said enuf is enuf and  finally went with a solid
>>> state sensor  switch.  Have advocated boycotting Rule ever since.
>>>>>> If you do install two electric switches, be sure to check the
>>> manufacturers recommended wiring plan.  They have to be wired In series I
>>> think, or better yet, with separate wring harness into separate breakers,
>>> to avoid the prospect of burning out the pumps when both are in operation.
>>> This happened to me after an inopportune grounding up in northern Canadian
>>> waters years ago when we sprung our garboard planks and started taking on
>>> copious water.  Both pumps shorted because of improper wiring method. No
>>> fun at all that day...
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> Glenn B.
>>>>>> Boatless in Seattle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After racing with TC Williams and Mike Nikolich in the Annapolis
>>> Yacht Club
>>>>>>> Wednesday Night Races and some weekend races, for about 15 years, I
>>> finally
>>>>>>> bought a boat!   Bought #262 from Tom Baker two months ago.  Thank
>>> you,
>>>>>>> Tom! Have been having a wonderful time sailing her and introducing my
>>>>>>> family to sailing.
>>>>>>> 
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