[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Fri Oct 23 03:15:18 PDT 2015

I think it started at the top flange where it is against the coaming .  Then the bottom flange against the deck. The jib car was way aft and highly loaded so the force was almost transverse, putting the top in tension and the bottom in compression. I will send a summary to George and post on facebook.

Mike
Rinn Duin #272

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On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> The winch base failed where? At the interface where the winch is attached (the top of the base itself)?
> 
> -Jeff
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> AND the starboard winch (self tailer) on 272 pulled out in the Rankin race
>> this year!
>> The winch base failed - fortunately the self-tailer held the winch and the
>> base so they did not go to the bottom of the Magothy.
>> After looking at the winch base, I think the material was laid too thin in
>> way of the holes. I don't think the self-tailer adds to the loading, since
>> when racing you can have large tailing forces from almost any direction.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> Michael J. Meinhold 301 852 0619 meinhold272 at gmail.com
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
>> > year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing winches
>> > in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard winch
>> > ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.  The
>> > starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday during
>> > the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about #262.
>> > Tim Williams would have information about #244.
>> >
>> > On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement will
>> > need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done with
>> > > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with the
>> > > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still be
>> > > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach out
>> > the
>> > > lifeline cover too :-)
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely closed.
>> > > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat) but
>> > > yours
>> > > > will be similar.
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com
>> > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a cover
>> > over
>> > > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed behind
>> > the
>> > > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and that any
>> > > water
>> > > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have a
>> > newer
>> > > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Bill.
>> > > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>> > > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hey All,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
>> > combine
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for a real
>> > > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I might
>> > > >> start
>> > > >> looking at alternative species....
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with the
>> > > >> engine
>> > > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Wes
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List <
>> > > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last time I
>> > > >> > checked.
>> > > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
>> > > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's Woodworks off
>> > > >> Glebe
>> > > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair facility, I
>> > > am
>> > > >> > sure
>> > > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > MichaelGrosh
>> > > >> > > #220
>> > > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
>> > > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > > Hi All,
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my coamings
>> > > (and
>> > > >> > > winch
>> > > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
>> > "commando
>> > > >> > style"
>> > > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail mainly in
>> > > >> "daysail
>> > > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
>> > > >> cockpit.  I
>> > > >> > am
>> > > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
>> > leeward.
>> > > >> The
>> > > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda nice,
>> > > >> > actually.
>> > > >> > > > That's another discussion....
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely "dry"
>> > > meaning
>> > > >> > > there
>> > > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was intentional
>> > > as
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
>> > trapping
>> > > >> > crud.
>> > > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
>> > intentionally
>> > > >> > > spacing
>> > > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in along
>> > > the
>> > > >> > > > bottom?
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw, sabre
>> > > saw
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the pieces
>> > > >> joined
>> > > >> > as
>> > > >> > > I
>> > > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in the
>> > > >> boatyard
>> > > >> > > that
>> > > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > Wes
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