[Public-List] Cockpit Coaming

Fri Oct 23 10:20:51 PDT 2015

You know the whole idea of a fully loaded winch flying across the cockpit
just when you're attempting that high-wind jibe-set invokes visions of
missing teeth and screaming kids!

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:15 AM, via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> I think it started at the top flange where it is against the coaming .
> Then the bottom flange against the deck. The jib car was way aft and highly
> loaded so the force was almost transverse, putting the top in tension and
> the bottom in compression. I will send a summary to George and post on
> facebook.
>
> Mike
> Rinn Duin #272
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jeffrey <fongemie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > The winch base failed where? At the interface where the winch is
> attached (the top of the base itself)?
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> AND the starboard winch (self tailer) on 272 pulled out in the Rankin
> race
> >> this year!
> >> The winch base failed - fortunately the self-tailer held the winch and
> the
> >> base so they did not go to the bottom of the Magothy.
> >> After looking at the winch base, I think the material was laid too thin
> in
> >> way of the holes. I don't think the self-tailer adds to the loading,
> since
> >> when racing you can have large tailing forces from almost any direction.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> Michael J. Meinhold 301 852 0619 meinhold272 at gmail.com
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > While at the dock before Sunday's races during the Rankin regatta this
> >> > year, heard that the Albergs where not designed with self-tailing
> winches
> >> > in mind.  The stresses on the winch can be too much.  The starboard
> winch
> >> > ripped out of #262 some years ago while being raced on the Magothy.
> The
> >> > starboard winch on #244 ripped out this year...perhaps on Saturday
> during
> >> > the Rankin regatta.  John Maliszewski would have information about
> #262.
> >> > Tim Williams would have information about #244.
> >> >
> >> > On #262, the jib cleats are on the coaming, so a different placement
> will
> >> > need to be found, unless self-tailers are used.
> >> >
> >> > Jonathan
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Please excuse the general mess in the pic, I had just gotten done
> with
> >> > > removing the coamings, the winch is just sitting there on deck with
> the
> >> > > sheet wrapped around it as a "model" to see if the lead will still
> be
> >> > > correct if I choose to go "commando"...looks like I need to bleach
> out
> >> > the
> >> > > lifeline cover too :-)
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Wes Gardner <
> wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Yes, the coaming is a separate piece and yes, it is completely
> closed.
> >> > > > Here's a pic of what my boat looks like #196 (old non-liner boat)
> but
> >> > > yours
> >> > > > will be similar.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/igbrzi0pfakchc7/Cockpit.jpg?dl=0
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Bill Wallace <
> wayfarer3134 at yahoo.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Do I understand correctly that the cockpit coaming is only a
> cover
> >> > over
> >> > > >> fibreglass, and that the fibreglass actually meets/is closed
> behind
> >> > the
> >> > > >> coamings?  I had always assumed there was actually a gap and
> that any
> >> > > water
> >> > > >> that flowed in behind the comings ended up in the bilge?  I have
> a
> >> > newer
> >> > > >> boat, so I hope the answer is the same.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Bill.
> >> > > >> Chewan, Alberg 30 # 626
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:00 PM, Wes Gardner via
> Public-List <
> >> > > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Hey All,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Thanks to everyone for the responses...I can tell that when you
> >> > combine
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> words "exotic" and "boat" in the same sentence, that I'm in for
> a real
> >> > > >> treat :-)  I assume I'm looking at about 500 - 600 for teak...I
> might
> >> > > >> start
> >> > > >> looking at alternative species....
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I was also drooling over some self-tailers last night...but with
> the
> >> > > >> engine
> >> > > >> repair bill coming, those will have to wait.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Wes
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Brooke Harwood via Public-List
> <
> >> > > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > Warren's does have a great teak choice & a better price last
> time I
> >> > > >> > checked.
> >> > > >> > On Oct 22, 2015 10:51 AM, "Michael Grosh via Public-List" <
> >> > > >> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > > If Exotic Lumber doesn't work for you, try Warren's
> Woodworks off
> >> > > >> Glebe
> >> > > >> > > Road Easton. They are right next to the Hinkley repair
> facility, I
> >> > > am
> >> > > >> > sure
> >> > > >> > > they have teak in all dimensions.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > MichaelGrosh
> >> > > >> > > #220
> >> > > >> > > On Oct 22, 2015 9:16 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List" <
> >> > > >> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > Hi All,
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > This has probably been discussed before...I removed my
> coamings
> >> > > (and
> >> > > >> > > winch
> >> > > >> > > > pedestals) yesterday and am considered sailing next year
> >> > "commando
> >> > > >> > style"
> >> > > >> > > > without them.  I'll see what my wife thinks. We sail
> mainly in
> >> > > >> "daysail
> >> > > >> > > > mode" so there's no chance of green water rolling into the
> >> > > >> cockpit.  I
> >> > > >> > am
> >> > > >> > > > of the "lean against the lifelines" school of steering to
> >> > leeward.
> >> > > >> The
> >> > > >> > > > boat DOES feel quite different without them.  Feels kinda
> nice,
> >> > > >> > actually.
> >> > > >> > > > That's another discussion....
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > What I DID find is that mine were installed completely
> "dry"
> >> > > meaning
> >> > > >> > > there
> >> > > >> > > > was no bedding of anything anywhere.  Maybe this was
> intentional
> >> > > as
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> > > > space between the wood and the glass is a great place for
> >> > trapping
> >> > > >> > crud.
> >> > > >> > > > What have others done in this area?  I thought about
> >> > intentionally
> >> > > >> > > spacing
> >> > > >> > > > the wood away with a flat washer and cutting some weeps in
> along
> >> > > the
> >> > > >> > > > bottom?
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Anyone know of a good source for teak?  I have a bandsaw,
> sabre
> >> > > saw
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >> > > > router so I can shape and machine, I'll need to get the
> pieces
> >> > > >> joined
> >> > > >> > as
> >> > > >> > > I
> >> > > >> > > > don't have access to a jointer.  (I truly miss the one in
> the
> >> > > >> boatyard
> >> > > >> > > that
> >> > > >> > > > had like an eight foot bed, but those days are gone...)
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > Wes
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> >> > Jonathan M Bresler
> >> > Alberg 30 #262
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