[Public-List] Self Tailers

Sun Oct 25 08:51:58 PDT 2015

Wes,

Would think that 40's, for the jib, would be fine.  #262 has Lewmar 30
Ocean 2-speed self-tailers for the jib mounted on the pedestals and Lewmar
16 Ocean single-speed self-tailers mounted on the cabin top for the
halyards.

Jonathan

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

>    I, too, have added 40ST's (2 speed)  and have used Andersen's because
> the bars on the barrel do not abrade line like knurled or sharply rough
> surfaces do. I have used one set of sheets for 7 years, and when you
> consider adding the cost of low stretch line replacement with some
> frequency because of rough barrelled winches,  you might then re-consider
> the cost differences among winches.  The 40's with 2 speeds allow any
> person to control the sail with confidence, regardless of their strength or
> arthritis. It is a wonderful addition for safer sailing because the crew is
> a help in any weather.
>    I have a newer boat with the winch pockets molded in the deck, and so
> far, no strength problems with a 165 under race conditions.     I had no
> trouble adding the new winches. The bolt pattern was 6 on the new and 5 on
> the old,  but I had to drill only one new hole because the 5 lined up .
> Usually,  there are price discounts at boat shows, or your regular supplier
> may get price discounts for volume on his spring order.
> Don
> #528
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Michael Nikolich via Public-List
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 6:39 PM
> To: Wes Gardner ; Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Self Tailers
>
>
> To clarify, I believe some of the "misadventures" with self-tailers are
> not just from the winches.  I think the problem is that the self-tailers
> are installed on additional pedestals to set the boat up with primary and
> secondary winches (usually for racing).  The bottom of one pedestal design
> commonly used has openings to let water run through.  Over time and/or
> under high loads, the pedestal feet and hardware used to mount the pedestal
> to the deck and coaming has proven insufficient and the pedestal would tear
> away. If you plan to just have one set of winches on the original
> pedestals, then depending on how substantial your pedestals and hardware on
> you may be fine.
>
> Mike
>
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> Mike Nikolich
> s/v SKYBIRD
> Alberg 30 #550
> mike.nikolich550 at gmail.com
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>
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Gord,
>
> Thanks for the lesson in being the "head man." So the 40s are fine? I'm a
> little locked in as far as fore and aft positioning as I have a lifeline
> stanchion that will not allow me to move the winches forward. I'm also not
> intending to set this boat up for a spinnaker so I'm just going back with
> what was there. Although beefed up in lieu of others' misadventures with
> winch installations.
>
> Wes
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>
>> We put 40ST's on SURPRISE for primaries, and moved the old Barient
>> non-self
>> tailing winches aft onto the spinnaker winch pads.
>>
>> I don't doubt that adding self tailing winches to the boat was the single
>> most dramatic improvement she's received while we've owned her.  I know
>> ST's
>> are not inexpensive, but I'd say they're worth every penny.
>>
>> So what was the second most dramatic improvement?  The head.  When we got
>> SURPRISE she had a port-a-potty thing that was both awkward to sit on and
>> unpleasant to live with.  Under the lid was illustrated instructions on
>> how
>> to make a 'sled' of folded toilet paper by which to aid the passage of
>> solid
>> waste contributions...
>>
>> A number of years ago we put a real toilet-style head into her.  Oh what
>> an
>> improvement.  One can now sit in comfort and read a magazine like a
>> gentleman when doing one's duty.  I think the day I began toning down my
>> complaining that I missed the wooden boat, SURPRISE's predecessor, was the
>> first day I used the new head.
>>
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>
>> PS - the wooden boat had a bucket.  Actually she carried two, a blue one
>> and
>> a red one.  One was the head, the other for galley wash ups.  Visitors
>> would
>> commonly forget which was which... And at this moment, I can't remember
>> myself.
>>
>>
>> On 2015-10-23, 8:37 PM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> So maybe, just maybe I can eek a couple of self tailers into next
>>> spring's
>>> budget (maybe she won't notice :-) What size for primaries? I don't have
>>> a
>>> chute and won't be setting this boat up for one...
>>>
>>> Wes
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Jonathan M Bresler
Alberg 30 #262
Annapolis/Eastport MD