[Public-List] Spinnaker rigging, pole down haul

Tue Aug 16 05:43:30 PDT 2016

As a foredeck guy on other boats... I'll jump in. 

The advantage of having the foreguy (downhaul) rigged from the pole to the mast base is that it doesn't need to be adjusted as the pole swings fore and aft. So it doesn't necessarily need to be double ended (for control aft) for anything other than gybes (and the foredeck guy can do that if needed too since I'm often told how little I do). If thats the case, in theory it could be cleated at the mast. All depends on how many crew consistently shows up and how many strings you want each one to pull for each maneuver. 

The disadvantage is that the downhauling purchase is reduced since there is a sharp angle from the pole to the mast base. An arrangement that pulls square to the pole has more oomph to control the pole, but then must be adjusted each time the pole swings.  The A30 pole is still small enough that the mast mounted foreguy works fine and can make life up there a bit simpler. A final disadvantage is that the footwork for a foredeck guy is limited when there is a line running from mid pole to the mast base... there's already enough stuff to trip over up there. 

Also, I noticed the tweakers you are referring to... Not sure if its the same as what I've used on J/boats, but a twing is a block that lowers the active spinsheet down to control the leach, not the guy as you mentioned (it goes slack on the guy side or we usually use a snatch block and take it off entirely). It usually doesn't require a winch to control as you are only deflecting the angle of the sheet. 1/4" line is plenty for that. Our sheets are 5/16 spectra and decovered from the snapshackle to just forward of the aft block (at max trim) . 

Sorry I puked on your thread. 

Cheers!
M@

> On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Am up the coast sailing; can answer details next week...  
> 
> G
> 
>> On 2016-08-15, at 3:31 PM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gord.
>> You mentioned a using a horseshoe bail on the forward side of the mast. So the down haul and pole pivot like a hinge with the mast being the hinge pin. Do you use a block or additional hardware on the bail?  How do you arrange the control line around the mast back to the cockpit? Double tailed for each jibe?
>> Michael
>> 
>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: "Wes Gardner" <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:45:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Spinnaker rigging
>> 
>> Good morning Hernan...
>> 
>> I agree... 1/4" is too thin ergonomically.  5/16" is better... And I'd
>> suggest the cost of light weight line (polyester sheath with polypro core)
>> is worth it.
>> 
>> Rather than a foreguy, our pole gear is rigged with a trangulated spinnaker
>> pole downhaul to the fwd face of the mast.  That way we don't have to adjust
>> it every time we adjust the spinnaker guy.
>> 
>> Single sheets is fine in boats our size.
>> 
>> Gord #426 Surprise
>> 
>> 
>> On 2016-08-14, 8:02 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just FYI, I bought a bunch of 5/16" double braid on Amazon for pretty cheap.
>>> It's not easily splicable but works for my asym for both sheets and the tack
>>> line.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Hernán Scarnichia
>>> via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm setting
>>> up #414 for flying a spinnaker (symmetrical) and have some
>>> questions for
>>> those on the list that use their spinnakers.
>>> 
>>> I'm planning on using single
>>> sheets (the lazy sheet is the guy) and
>>> tweakers / barber haulers. the sheet
>>> and guy will run to blocks on the
>>> stern quarter and to the after winches and
>>> the tweakers will go to the
>>> forward winches.
>>> 
>>> Will the downward pull of
>>> the tweaker on the guy be enough to keep the pole
>>> down or do I need a
>>> separate downhaul / foreguy? where on the foredeck do
>>> you attach the
>>> downhaul / foreguy if needed?
>>> 
>>> Would 1/4" sheets and tweakers be enough?
>>> this would be for light winds
>>> less than 10-15kt
>>> 
>>> The recommendations
>>> online are for 2x boat length sheets. does this work ok
>>> in an alberg 30?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your wisdom
>>> 
>>> Hernan
>>> #414
>>> 
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