[Public-List] Spinnaker rigging, pole down haul

Tue Aug 16 09:08:36 PDT 2016

On mine and others I have seen, I cleat a block with a pigtail to the bow cleat, and the foreguy runs aft to a jam cleat starboard side of deckhouse aft

Mike

Michael J. Meinhold 
meinhold272 at gmail.com / 301 852 0619

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Hernán Scarnichia via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Backfin,
> Thanks for your reply.
> I will try with a downhaul to the base of the mast as soon as I put a bail
> there to atach it.
> It may be easier for me to set up as a foreguy to the bow cleats or toerail
> (aluminum slotted)
> How is the foreguy routed to the cockpit and where do you cleat it off?
> 
> Hernan
> #414
> 
> On Aug 16, 2016 4:43 AM, "Backfin via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
>> As a foredeck guy on other boats... I'll jump in.
>> 
>> The advantage of having the foreguy (downhaul) rigged from the pole to the
>> mast base is that it doesn't need to be adjusted as the pole swings fore
>> and aft. So it doesn't necessarily need to be double ended (for control
>> aft) for anything other than gybes (and the foredeck guy can do that if
>> needed too since I'm often told how little I do). If thats the case, in
>> theory it could be cleated at the mast. All depends on how many crew
>> consistently shows up and how many strings you want each one to pull for
>> each maneuver.
>> 
>> The disadvantage is that the downhauling purchase is reduced since there
>> is a sharp angle from the pole to the mast base. An arrangement that pulls
>> square to the pole has more oomph to control the pole, but then must be
>> adjusted each time the pole swings.  The A30 pole is still small enough
>> that the mast mounted foreguy works fine and can make life up there a bit
>> simpler. A final disadvantage is that the footwork for a foredeck guy is
>> limited when there is a line running from mid pole to the mast base...
>> there's already enough stuff to trip over up there.
>> 
>> Also, I noticed the tweakers you are referring to... Not sure if its the
>> same as what I've used on J/boats, but a twing is a block that lowers the
>> active spinsheet down to control the leach, not the guy as you mentioned
>> (it goes slack on the guy side or we usually use a snatch block and take it
>> off entirely). It usually doesn't require a winch to control as you are
>> only deflecting the angle of the sheet. 1/4" line is plenty for that. Our
>> sheets are 5/16 spectra and decovered from the snapshackle to just forward
>> of the aft block (at max trim) .
>> 
>> Sorry I puked on your thread.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> M@
>> 
>>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am up the coast sailing; can answer details next week...
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>>> On 2016-08-15, at 3:31 PM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Gord.
>>>> You mentioned a using a horseshoe bail on the forward side of the mast.
>> So the down haul and pole pivot like a hinge with the mast being the hinge
>> pin. Do you use a block or additional hardware on the bail?  How do you
>> arrange the control line around the mast back to the cockpit? Double tailed
>> for each jibe?
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> To: "Wes Gardner" <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, "Alberg 30 Public List
>> -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:45:25 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Spinnaker rigging
>>>> 
>>>> Good morning Hernan...
>>>> 
>>>> I agree... 1/4" is too thin ergonomically.  5/16" is better... And I'd
>>>> suggest the cost of light weight line (polyester sheath with polypro
>> core)
>>>> is worth it.
>>>> 
>>>> Rather than a foreguy, our pole gear is rigged with a trangulated
>> spinnaker
>>>> pole downhaul to the fwd face of the mast.  That way we don't have to
>> adjust
>>>> it every time we adjust the spinnaker guy.
>>>> 
>>>> Single sheets is fine in boats our size.
>>>> 
>>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-08-14, 8:02 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just FYI, I bought a bunch of 5/16" double braid on Amazon for pretty
>> cheap.
>>>>> It's not easily splicable but works for my asym for both sheets and
>> the tack
>>>>> line.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Hernán Scarnichia
>>>>> via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I'm setting
>>>>> up #414 for flying a spinnaker (symmetrical) and have some
>>>>> questions for
>>>>> those on the list that use their spinnakers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm planning on using single
>>>>> sheets (the lazy sheet is the guy) and
>>>>> tweakers / barber haulers. the sheet
>>>>> and guy will run to blocks on the
>>>>> stern quarter and to the after winches and
>>>>> the tweakers will go to the
>>>>> forward winches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Will the downward pull of
>>>>> the tweaker on the guy be enough to keep the pole
>>>>> down or do I need a
>>>>> separate downhaul / foreguy? where on the foredeck do
>>>>> you attach the
>>>>> downhaul / foreguy if needed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would 1/4" sheets and tweakers be enough?
>>>>> this would be for light winds
>>>>> less than 10-15kt
>>>>> 
>>>>> The recommendations
>>>>> online are for 2x boat length sheets. does this work ok
>>>>> in an alberg 30?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your wisdom
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hernan
>>>>> #414
>>>>> 
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