[Public-List] Spinnaker rigging, pole down haul

Tue Aug 16 08:54:54 PDT 2016

Backfin,
Thanks for your reply.
I will try with a downhaul to the base of the mast as soon as I put a bail
there to atach it.
It may be easier for me to set up as a foreguy to the bow cleats or toerail
(aluminum slotted)
How is the foreguy routed to the cockpit and where do you cleat it off?

Hernan
#414

On Aug 16, 2016 4:43 AM, "Backfin via Public-List" <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> As a foredeck guy on other boats... I'll jump in.
>
> The advantage of having the foreguy (downhaul) rigged from the pole to the
> mast base is that it doesn't need to be adjusted as the pole swings fore
> and aft. So it doesn't necessarily need to be double ended (for control
> aft) for anything other than gybes (and the foredeck guy can do that if
> needed too since I'm often told how little I do). If thats the case, in
> theory it could be cleated at the mast. All depends on how many crew
> consistently shows up and how many strings you want each one to pull for
> each maneuver.
>
> The disadvantage is that the downhauling purchase is reduced since there
> is a sharp angle from the pole to the mast base. An arrangement that pulls
> square to the pole has more oomph to control the pole, but then must be
> adjusted each time the pole swings.  The A30 pole is still small enough
> that the mast mounted foreguy works fine and can make life up there a bit
> simpler. A final disadvantage is that the footwork for a foredeck guy is
> limited when there is a line running from mid pole to the mast base...
> there's already enough stuff to trip over up there.
>
> Also, I noticed the tweakers you are referring to... Not sure if its the
> same as what I've used on J/boats, but a twing is a block that lowers the
> active spinsheet down to control the leach, not the guy as you mentioned
> (it goes slack on the guy side or we usually use a snatch block and take it
> off entirely). It usually doesn't require a winch to control as you are
> only deflecting the angle of the sheet. 1/4" line is plenty for that. Our
> sheets are 5/16 spectra and decovered from the snapshackle to just forward
> of the aft block (at max trim) .
>
> Sorry I puked on your thread.
>
> Cheers!
> M@
>
> > On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Am up the coast sailing; can answer details next week...
> >
> > G
> >
> >> On 2016-08-15, at 3:31 PM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gord.
> >> You mentioned a using a horseshoe bail on the forward side of the mast.
> So the down haul and pole pivot like a hinge with the mast being the hinge
> pin. Do you use a block or additional hardware on the bail?  How do you
> arrange the control line around the mast back to the cockpit? Double tailed
> for each jibe?
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> To: "Wes Gardner" <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>, "Alberg 30 Public List
> -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 8:45:25 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Spinnaker rigging
> >>
> >> Good morning Hernan...
> >>
> >> I agree... 1/4" is too thin ergonomically.  5/16" is better... And I'd
> >> suggest the cost of light weight line (polyester sheath with polypro
> core)
> >> is worth it.
> >>
> >> Rather than a foreguy, our pole gear is rigged with a trangulated
> spinnaker
> >> pole downhaul to the fwd face of the mast.  That way we don't have to
> adjust
> >> it every time we adjust the spinnaker guy.
> >>
> >> Single sheets is fine in boats our size.
> >>
> >> Gord #426 Surprise
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2016-08-14, 8:02 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
> >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just FYI, I bought a bunch of 5/16" double braid on Amazon for pretty
> cheap.
> >>> It's not easily splicable but works for my asym for both sheets and
> the tack
> >>> line.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Hernán Scarnichia
> >>> via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I'm setting
> >>> up #414 for flying a spinnaker (symmetrical) and have some
> >>> questions for
> >>> those on the list that use their spinnakers.
> >>>
> >>> I'm planning on using single
> >>> sheets (the lazy sheet is the guy) and
> >>> tweakers / barber haulers. the sheet
> >>> and guy will run to blocks on the
> >>> stern quarter and to the after winches and
> >>> the tweakers will go to the
> >>> forward winches.
> >>>
> >>> Will the downward pull of
> >>> the tweaker on the guy be enough to keep the pole
> >>> down or do I need a
> >>> separate downhaul / foreguy? where on the foredeck do
> >>> you attach the
> >>> downhaul / foreguy if needed?
> >>>
> >>> Would 1/4" sheets and tweakers be enough?
> >>> this would be for light winds
> >>> less than 10-15kt
> >>>
> >>> The recommendations
> >>> online are for 2x boat length sheets. does this work ok
> >>> in an alberg 30?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your wisdom
> >>>
> >>> Hernan
> >>> #414
> >>>
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