[Public-List] furling gear and spinnaker halyard

Mon Jun 27 10:13:36 PDT 2016

Here is our set up...  As I wrote earlier, not so beautiful, but strong and
functional.  I've cut off the outer bale since I took this picture.  I found
we didn't need the block to be that far forward and I figured the structure
is stronger with less cantelever.

Gord 

On 2016-06-24, 11:45 AM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Hello Hernan, 

I do; will send tonight when I'm back in my hotel.   It looks
> a little industrial; but its small and strong... And when it's 36' up in the
> air it just looks like a little shiny thing ...

G

On 2016-06-24, at 11:40
> AM, Hernán Scarnichia <hernanscar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gordon,
> Do you have
> any pics that you could post of your custom crane?
> How did you attach it to
> the mast head?
> Hernan
> 
> On Jun 24, 2016 6:41 AM, "Gordon Laco via
> Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> I built a spin halyard
> crane for Surprise's halyard.  Holds halyard block a few inches forward of the
> stay as is more normal in other classes. Works very well.
>> 
>> Gord 426
> Surprise.
>> 
>> On 2016-06-24, at 10:34 AM, via Public-List
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > When we raced J Bergquist's
> Calliope with a racing Genoa on the foil, we led the spin halyard around the
> backside of the port side spreader, to a loop attached to the base of the
> turnbuckle. We could tension it up after cleaning up upwind. We never rolled
> the jib during sail changes.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Michael J.
> Meinhold
>> > meinhold272 at gmail.com / 301 852 0619
>> >
>> >> On Jun 24, 2016,
> at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Charles,
>> >>
>> >> A halyard that is parallel to the
> forestay is in danger of being wrapped
>> >> around the forestay by a roller
> furler.
>> >> The forces can be great enough to break the forestay as Kris
> related
>> >> above.  From what I've read, it appears
>> >> that the halyard
> should be angled of 5 to 10 degrees aft from the stay
>> >> starting at the
> top swivel.  The "restrainer"
>> >> should be attached to mast in order to
> achieve that angle.
>> >>
>> >> Brion Toss writes "A furler's halyard swivel
> is a wonderful device,
>> >> enabling you to adjust halyard tension, even if
> the sail is furled. But it
>> >> is also a tremendous Achilles heel, the
> source of the majority of the
>> >> furler problems we see in our shop. For
> example, if the halyard leads too
>> >> close to the foil, and especially if
> the halyard is slack, it can get
>> >> caught up on the foil while you are
> setting or furling the sail. This is
>> >> the terrible "halyard wrap" that
> can make it impossible for the furler to
>> >> rotate, or for the sail to go
> up or down. And it can damage or destroy the
>> >> foil, the wire, and the
> halyard. Accordingly, every manufacturer that has a
>> >> halyard swivel is
> extremely emphatic on proper halyard lead and tension, as
>> >> well as
> optimal swivel height. Particulars vary, but the general idea is to
>> >> have
> the top of the swivel just a few inches below the top of the foil, and
>> >>
> to have the halyard angled slightly aft from the swivel. Profurl handles
>> >>
> both these details with their "Wrapstop", a Darth-Vader-Helmet-like object
>>
> >> that clamps onto the top of the stay. Other manufacturers use "halyard>>
> >> restrainers" that clamp to the face of the mast, though increasingly
> spar
>> >> builders are finally getting around to positioning jib halyard
> sheaves for
>> >> an optimal furler lead, without the need for a restrainer."
> (
>> >> www.briontoss.com/education/archive/miscnov03.htm)
>> >>
>> >> Didnt
> see that the make of the roller furler is mentioned.   Constance has
>> >> a
> Furlex.   Page 23 of the Furlex manual talks about the restrainer.
>> >>
> (sailing.mit.edu/wikiupload/0/0b/Furlex_200S_Furler.pdf)
>> >>
>> >>
> Jonathan
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Kris Coward via
> Public-List <
>> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
> Put a halyard restrainer on the front of the mast to help keep the jib
>> >>>
> and spin halyards clear enough of each other to keep this problem at
>> >>>
> bay. I figured this one out the hard way (by breaking the forestay with
>> >>>
> (jib) halyard wrap before putting the restrainer on--fortunately I was
>> >>>
> able to rig up the spare halyard as an emergency forestay before the rig
>>
> >>> got any ideas about falling over).
>> >>>
>> >>> -Kris
>> >>>
>> >>> On
> Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 03:39:13PM -0400, charles pleisse via Public-List
>> >>>
> wrote:
>> >>>> Sookie has a spinnaker and most of the associated gear.  It all
> seems to
>> >>> be
>> >>>> original to the boat.  Furling gear was installed
> in the mid 80's.  I
>> >>>> believe the spinnaker hasn't been used since.  I
> discovered why last
>> >>> year.
>> >>>> As many of you probably know, the
> spinnaker halyard interferes with the
>> >>>> upper parts of the furling gear.
> Is there any way to rig a spinnaker
>> >>>> halyard on an original mast head
> that will not interfere with the furler?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Charles Pleisse
>>
> >>>> Sookie #221
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