[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3285, Issue 4
Daniel Swords via Public-List
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Mon Jun 20 12:48:11 PDT 2016
I would be skeptical that the outboard prop will stay in the water, especially one mounted on a stern bracket, in heavy seas. I like outboards, have a 20 ft outboard cuddy cabin boat and am looking for a 26 -30 ft outboard walk around cabin boat, but I like my Yanmar inboard on my Alberg. If I were only day sailing and motoring in and out of a harbor and had some crew to help with sail handling I might consider a Torqueedo (sp?) electric outboard, but they are not cheap. But I sometimes use my boat like a trawler so I like having the inboard.
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> 1. Re: Re powering my A30 (Hans Thomas via Public-List)
> 2. Re: Re powering my A30 (Wes Gardner via Public-List)
> 3. mast winch handle (Stephen gwyn via Public-List)
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:15:27 -0500
> From: Hans Thomas via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Jason S <kk4mex at gmail.com>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Re powering my A30
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> If you have a stern tube, exhaust, and tank in good condition then you already have a lot of the subsystems installed. Repair the a4 or add a lot of value and piece of mind with a diesel.
>
> I have a triton with an inboard yanmar. My first inboard boat. I was somewhat skeptical at first and would now never go back.
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> Hans pearson triton "solitude"
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>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason S via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> I have a friend who has a Triton, as you know very similar to our A30s, he
>> put a 6hp on back. It pushed the boat well but....
>> After a few years I asked him how he like the outboard because I was
>> considering repowering. He simply said, my next boat will have a diesel.
>> So I set out to find a diesel, after 4 or 5 months of searching I found a
>> low hour Beta 20 for less than a Moyer rebuilt A4. I missed out on a beta
>> 20 on ebay that had a buy it now price of $2500, and it was new in the
>> crate.
>> If you search and look around you can find a decent deal on a diesel.
>> On Jun 20, 2016 12:58 PM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> Gord 426 Surprise.
>>>
>>> On 2016-06-20, at 12:51 PM, Rolph and Joan Townshend via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is very hard for me to understand why anyone would ever think of
>>> taking
>>>> out an Atomic 4 if it is basically in tact, no matter how warn it may be,
>>>> and replacing it with a 6 hp outboard with a 6" prop. The A30 is a
>>>> BEAUTIFUL boat and will remain active for many, many years with normal
>>>> maintenance. But to cut it up and put an outboard in the lazzarette
>>>> SIGNIFICANTLY changes the design and the value of the boat. It is a shame
>>>> to hear of one being modified like that. I say repair the Atomic 4 or
>>>> replace it with a diesel, with the first the better option. You can sail
>>>> that boat for many years and sell it with little or no loss, but with the
>>>> outboard your buyers will be very limited. Certainly no one who knows the
>>>> A30 would be interested.
>>>> The video of the mod showed very good workmanship, but to damage an A30
>>> in
>>>> as good shape as that one appears to be is a major disaster. Think of the
>>>> man hours and materials (including the outboard) it took to do that job,
>>>> multiply by a decent hourly rate and that amount of money would buy 2
>>>> diesel engines. It doesn't even appear to have a long shaft and to think
>>>> that that engine is going to safely push a 10, 000 + pound A30 in a 20 +
>>> kt
>>>> breeze is wish full thinking.
>>>> Get a good mechanic to overhaul your Atomic 4 while you get on with the
>>>> many other repairs that are needed.
>>>> Rolph Townshend
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Allen LoCicero via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> About 10 years ago we purchased an Alberg 30 with an atomic 4. The motor
>>>>> literally had a hole in the head and other block problems.After
>>> research we
>>>>> installed a 9.9 hp Johnson on a bracket on the stern. I like the idea of
>>>>> being able to tilt the motor out of the water when not in use. Installed
>>>>> remote controls in the cockpit. Felt really good about what we
>>>>> accomplished. What was an added bonus was the additional storage
>>>>> space.Having said all of this we were pleased with the forward but
>>>>> there was almost no reverse. As someone mentioned earlier what are
>>>>> the conditions? If you have any wind from the stern you will not be
>>> able to
>>>>> depend on the outboard motor to impede you forward speed. We even tried
>>>>> changing the pitch on the prop with no help. We used this configuration
>>> for
>>>>> about a year or so then we installed a Beta 20.That was not easy task
>>> you
>>>>> have to change from fuel tank to exhaust. By the way love the Bata.
>>>>> Allen
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:04:47 -0400
> From: Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: Hans Thomas <hthomas at mbari.org>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open to
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Re powering my A30
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> My two cents..
> I just went through the "rebuild wars" after a PO did me the disservice of
> threading a standard oil pressure sender into my metric block. When all
> the oil pumped into the bilge when the sender finally blew out, the engine
> virtually destroyed itself so there wasn't anything to rebuild. I bought a
> tractor motor with the same block and used the old "marinization" gear to
> convert it to a marine diesel. It is a 3 cylinder 22-25 HP depending on
> who you talk to and runs like a clock. The total repair was around 6K.
> Will I ever recoup that? Nope. But the next owner will have a boat with a
> proper motor.
> I never considered an outboard for the above stated reasons - both
> performance and cutting a beautiful boat to pieces. I did look into
> electric - the cost for a Thoosa was about 12K uninstalled. I have since
> seen numerous Yanmars and a couple of Betas for sale. I also agree that
> the rebuild of the "Automatic 4" may just be your best bet!
>
> Wes
> Griffin's Faith #196
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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Hans Thomas via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> If you have a stern tube, exhaust, and tank in good condition then you
>> already have a lot of the subsystems installed. Repair the a4 or add a lot
>> of value and piece of mind with a diesel.
>>
>> I have a triton with an inboard yanmar. My first inboard boat. I was
>> somewhat skeptical at first and would now never go back.
>>
>> Hans pearson triton "solitude"
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason S via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a friend who has a Triton, as you know very similar to our A30s,
>> he
>>> put a 6hp on back. It pushed the boat well but....
>>> After a few years I asked him how he like the outboard because I was
>>> considering repowering. He simply said, my next boat will have a diesel.
>>> So I set out to find a diesel, after 4 or 5 months of searching I found a
>>> low hour Beta 20 for less than a Moyer rebuilt A4. I missed out on a beta
>>> 20 on ebay that had a buy it now price of $2500, and it was new in the
>>> crate.
>>> If you search and look around you can find a decent deal on a diesel.
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 12:58 PM, "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree.
>>>>
>>>> Gord 426 Surprise.
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-06-20, at 12:51 PM, Rolph and Joan Townshend via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is very hard for me to understand why anyone would ever think of
>>>> taking
>>>>> out an Atomic 4 if it is basically in tact, no matter how warn it may
>> be,
>>>>> and replacing it with a 6 hp outboard with a 6" prop. The A30 is a
>>>>> BEAUTIFUL boat and will remain active for many, many years with normal
>>>>> maintenance. But to cut it up and put an outboard in the lazzarette
>>>>> SIGNIFICANTLY changes the design and the value of the boat. It is a
>> shame
>>>>> to hear of one being modified like that. I say repair the Atomic 4 or
>>>>> replace it with a diesel, with the first the better option. You can
>> sail
>>>>> that boat for many years and sell it with little or no loss, but with
>> the
>>>>> outboard your buyers will be very limited. Certainly no one who knows
>> the
>>>>> A30 would be interested.
>>>>> The video of the mod showed very good workmanship, but to damage an A30
>>>> in
>>>>> as good shape as that one appears to be is a major disaster. Think of
>> the
>>>>> man hours and materials (including the outboard) it took to do that
>> job,
>>>>> multiply by a decent hourly rate and that amount of money would buy 2
>>>>> diesel engines. It doesn't even appear to have a long shaft and to
>> think
>>>>> that that engine is going to safely push a 10, 000 + pound A30 in a 20
>> +
>>>> kt
>>>>> breeze is wish full thinking.
>>>>> Get a good mechanic to overhaul your Atomic 4 while you get on with the
>>>>> many other repairs that are needed.
>>>>> Rolph Townshend
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Allen LoCicero via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> About 10 years ago we purchased an Alberg 30 with an atomic 4. The
>> motor
>>>>>> literally had a hole in the head and other block problems.After
>>>> research we
>>>>>> installed a 9.9 hp Johnson on a bracket on the stern. I like the idea
>> of
>>>>>> being able to tilt the motor out of the water when not in use.
>> Installed
>>>>>> remote controls in the cockpit. Felt really good about what we
>>>>>> accomplished. What was an added bonus was the additional storage
>>>>>> space.Having said all of this we were pleased with the forward but
>>>>>> there was almost no reverse. As someone mentioned earlier what are
>>>>>> the conditions? If you have any wind from the stern you will not be
>>>> able to
>>>>>> depend on the outboard motor to impede you forward speed. We even
>> tried
>>>>>> changing the pitch on the prop with no help. We used this
>> configuration
>>>> for
>>>>>> about a year or so then we installed a Beta 20.That was not easy task
>>>> you
>>>>>> have to change from fuel tank to exhaust. By the way love the Bata.
>>>>>> Allen
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>> Please support them.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:44:08 -0700
> From: Stephen gwyn via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> Subject: [Public-List] mast winch handle
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> Is this what you're looking for:
>
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Merriman-Brothers-2-Bronze-Winch-Handles-Pair-/322154537811?hash=item4b01e82353:g:8NEAAOSw3YNXY4I~&vxp=mtr
>
> or possibly this:
> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/SOUTH-COAST-SET-OF-CLASSIC-SINGLE-SPEED-WINCHES-W-WINCH-HANDLE-/282026382397?hash=item41aa15143d:g:13oAAOSwMmBV1kDd&vxp=mtr
>
> Although that's expensive if you're just looking for the handle.
>
> I have several handles which I bought on eBay and consignment shops. But I'm
> not selling.
>
> SG
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