[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3215, Issue 2
Chip Dance via Public-List
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Sun Mar 13 10:46:56 PDT 2016
I've considered the alcohol approach. Although scientifically it shouldn't hurt anything, pouring liquid into the keel to dry it out feels almost as wrong as drilling a hole into a perfectly solid hull. Decisions, decisions....
Sent using a stone tablet and chisel.
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From: Christine + Maurice via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Date: 03/13/2016 10:36 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, Daniel Swords <danielswords at yahoo.com>, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3215, Issue 2
That is good information thanks Gordon. I had also drilled a few holes last year but no water came out, i did it in the spring while fixing the keel prior to launching, should have done it the fall but had to build up courage to drill holes in the keel! Oddly enough i have a bilge plug just about at the forefoot on the bottom of the keel, but no water came out last fall when i opened it which is why i figured i was in the clear, alas not the case! I will live with it for now as mentioned, retirement is in 2 years and i will have the leisure time to dry out the keel and do a full bottom job. What do people here think of pouring denatured alcohol or prestone in the area to displace water? I would drill out the top covering to the ballast where it was cracked in the vee berth area and drain the alcohol in there to accelerate drying?
Thoughts?
Cheers
Maurice
> Le 2016-03-13 à 11:55, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> a écrit :
>
> Hello -
>
> We had similar damage to SURPRISE's keel due to what we call 'The Great
> Kabong' on Shebeshkebong Rock near Parry Sound a few years ago.
>
> I tried to patch it myself over two springs, but was never able to get a
> good seal. A couple of years ago I bit the bullet and had the local
> professional do it. He ground away all the damaged area at the front
> knuckle of the keel... And left it for a long time. I'd also drilled a
> couple of holes through the glass till I hit the iron and that helped water
> get out too. In the spring the pro epoxy and glassed up a very good job;
> I ground and patched my drain holes with thickened epoxy.
>
> All good now.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
> On 2016-03-13, 2:27 PM, "Mpcbi via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> hello all,
>
> I'm watching this thread with interest! My boat #322 has a
>> cracked keel likely due to water entering the ballast area and freezing! I
>> had fixed it last year but it cracked again this winter, opens up about 1/8 of
>> an inch in the cold and closes to a hairline split when above freezing point.
>> In my case water entered from the top of the keel from a crack in the covering
>> of the ballast under the floor in the vee berth. Water flow from the anchor
>> well and in my case a cracked water tank would enter the ballast area of the
>> keel rather than flow to the back of the boat into the bilge. All that is now
>> repaired but i think the cementious material around the ballast is waterlogged
>> and will expand and close in freeze thaw cycle. Not good news over the long
>> run but I will keep the boat on the hard in 2 years for a good bottom job. In
>> the meantime my temp fix last year and going forward will be to grind and
>> cover with a generous coating of thickened epoxy, no fiberglass which may hide
>> that freeze thaw cycle. The ballast itself is cast iron which resists rust
>> better and is in a low oxygen environment so I'm convincing myself it should
>> be okay! I purchased the boat last year so not sure how long that condition
>> existed but i got very good deal and the rest of the ship is original and in
>> nice shape for its age!
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Maurice, Avoca 322
>
> Envoyé de mon
>> iPad
>
>> Le 2016-03-12 à 16:29, Daniel Swords via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a écrit :
>>
>> I have never heard of this
>> being a concern. I have a 1972 boat and if there are any issues with my keel I
>> haven't been able to notice them. I have it hauled every year and have never
>> seen anything to be concerned about.
>>
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>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:19:25 -0500
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>> Lead
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>>> I am in the market for a
>> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>> amazing boat and with an
>> incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest to).
>>> With that said, I have
>> been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase of
>>> a 50 year old boat due
>> to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>> 30's iron ballast ( I
>> read that one owner actually had one made demanding
>>> lead be used instead).
>> I would be far more eager to own an A30 (and take on
>>> the associated
>> upgrading and maintenance that these boats require) if I
>>> wasn't already so
>> concerned about 50 years of osmosis and it's effect on
>>> the keel and
>> corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>
>>> Can anyone address this concern, and if
>> this has issue has materialized in
>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how
>> common is it and what is the repair
>>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
>> 16:24:29 -0500
>>> From: Mike Meinhold via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Scott Abbott <scott at abbottandco.com>,
>> Alberg 30 Public List --
>>> open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>>> I would be interested in
>> whether any of those who have participated in
>>> breaking an A30 were able to
>> autopsy the keel, and determine the extent of
>>> corosion?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Rinn
>> Duin #272
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List
>> <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am in the market for a
>> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>> amazing boat and with an
>> incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest to).
>>>> With that said, I have
>> been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase of
>>>> a 50 year old boat
>> due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>>> 30's iron ballast (
>> I read that one owner actually had one made demanding
>>>> lead be used
>> instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30 (and take on
>>>> the
>> associated upgrading and maintenance that these boats require) if I
>>>> wasn't
>> already so concerned about 50 years of osmosis and it's effect on
>>>> the keel
>> and corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone address this concern,
>> and if this has issue has materialized in
>>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If
>> so, how common is it and what is the repair
>>>> procedure and cost? Long
>> term?
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
>> 16:58:20 -0500
>>> From: Jason S via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Ryan Martin via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>, Mike
>>> Meinhold
>> <meinhold272 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>>> I have not dug into my ballast
>> area yet. There are no signs of damage from
>>> outside of boat. In a few
>> months I will be examining the top of the ballast
>>> and will report back.
>>>
>>
>>> Jason
>>> #457
>>> Www.svsalacia.blogspot.com
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 4:24 PM,
>> "Mike Meinhold via Public-List" <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> I would be interested in whether any of those who have participated
>> in
>>>> breaking an A30 were able to autopsy the keel, and determine the extent
>> of
>>>> corosion?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 12,
>> 2016 at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List <
>>>>
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am in the market for a
>> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>>> amazing boat and with an
>> incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>>>> to).
>>>>> With that said, I
>> have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase
>>>> of
>>>>> a 50 year
>> old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>>>> 30's iron
>> ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made demanding
>>>>> lead be
>> used instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30 (and take
>>>> on
>>>>>
>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that these boats require) if I
>>>>>
>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of osmosis and it's effect on
>>>>>
>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone address
>> this concern, and if this has issue has materialized
>>>> in
>>>>> existing A30
>> fleet thus far? If so, how common is it and what is the
>>>> repair
>>>>>
>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
>> 17:14:08 -0500
>>> From: Fraser Kittson via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Jason S <kk4mex at gmail.com>, Alberg
>> 30 Public List -- open to all
>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>>> I can attest to the fact that my 1978 Alberg 30 has a
>> all lead keel
>>>
>>> Fraser Kittson
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:58 PM,
>> Jason S via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I
>> have not dug into my ballast area yet. There are no signs of damage from
>>>>
>> outside of boat. In a few months I will be examining the top of the
>> ballast
>>>> and will report back.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>> #457
>>>>
>> Www.svsalacia.blogspot.com
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 4:24 PM, "Mike Meinhold via
>> Public-List" <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would be
>> interested in whether any of those who have participated in
>>>>> breaking an
>> A30 were able to autopsy the keel, and determine the extent of
>>>>>
>> corosion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016
>> at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List <
>>>>>
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in the market for a
>> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>>>> amazing boat and with
>> an incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>>>>> to).
>>>>>> With that
>> said, I have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase
>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>> 50 year old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The Alberg
>>>>>>
>> 30's iron ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made
>> demanding
>>>>>> lead be used instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30
>> (and take
>>>>> on
>>>>>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that these
>> boats require) if I
>>>>>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of
>> osmosis and it's effect on
>>>>>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast
>> iron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone address this concern, and if this has issue has
>> materialized
>>>>> in
>>>>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how common is
>> it and what is the
>>>>> repair
>>>>>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
>> 17:54:37 -0500
>>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Scott Abbott <scott at abbottandco.com>,
>> Alberg 30 Public List --
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>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast vs. Lead
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>>> Hello there.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of any osmosis
>> issues in A30's
>>>
>>> Gord Laco #426
>>>
>>>> On 2016-03-12, at 4:19 PM, Scott
>> Abbott via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am
>> in the market for a traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>>
>> amazing boat and with an incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>> to).
>>>> With that said, I have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better
>> purchase of
>>>> a 50 year old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs.
>> The Alberg
>>>> 30's iron ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made
>> demanding
>>>> lead be used instead). I would be far more eager to own an A30
>> (and take on
>>>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that these boats
>> require) if I
>>>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of osmosis and
>> it's effect on
>>>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast iron.
>>>>
>>>> Can
>> anyone address this concern, and if this has issue has materialized in
>>>>
>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how common is it and what is the
>> repair
>>>> procedure and cost? Long term?
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support
>> your Association:
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016
>> 17:56:20 -0500
>>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> To: Fraser Kittson <fkittson at bell.net>,
>> Alberg 30 Public List -- open
>>> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>
>> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>>
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Iron ballast
>> vs. Lead
>>> Message-ID: <E9BDB6E4-0457-4601-8254-049E14B817CE at csolve.net>
>>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> I'm astonished. How have
>> you determined this?
>>>
>>> Gordon #426 Surprise.
>>>
>>>> On 2016-03-12, at
>> 5:14 PM, Fraser Kittson via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can attest to the fact that my 1978 Alberg 30 has a all lead
>> keel
>>>>
>>>> Fraser Kittson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Jason
>> S via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have
>> not dug into my ballast area yet. There are no signs of damage from
>>>>>
>> outside of boat. In a few months I will be examining the top of the
>> ballast
>>>>> and will report back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jason
>>>>> #457
>>>>>
>> Www.svsalacia.blogspot.com
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 4:24 PM, "Mike Meinhold via
>> Public-List" <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would
>> be interested in whether any of those who have participated in
>>>>>> breaking
>> an A30 were able to autopsy the keel, and determine the extent of
>>>>>>
>> corosion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> Rinn Duin #272
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12,
>> 2016 at 4:19 PM, Scott Abbott via Public-List <
>>>>>>
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am in the market for a
>> traditional sailor, and the Alberg 30 is such an
>>>>>>> amazing boat and with
>> an incredible pedigree (as this crowd can attest
>>>>>> to).
>>>>>>> With that
>> said, I have been focusing on Alberg 35's as a better purchase
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>> a 50 year old boat due to the 35's possessing lead ballast vs. The
>> Alberg
>>>>>>> 30's iron ballast ( I read that one owner actually had one made
>> demanding
>>>>>>> lead be used instead). I would be far more eager to own an
>> A30 (and take
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the associated upgrading and maintenance that
>> these boats require) if I
>>>>>>> wasn't already so concerned about 50 years of
>> osmosis and it's effect on
>>>>>>> the keel and corrosion of encased cast
>> iron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone address this concern, and if this has issue
>> has materialized
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> existing A30 fleet thus far? If so, how
>> common is it and what is the
>>>>>> repair
>>>>>>> procedure and cost? Long
>> term?
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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