[Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang choice

Thu Nov 3 12:56:39 PDT 2016

Actually I always build a 'fuse' into the vang so that it'll break before
the boom or gooseneck does.  In our case this is in the form of a lighter D
shackle.  I realize this could be dangerous if the vang is being used as a
preventer... So we don't do that in heavy air.  Rather we rely on careful
steering to prevent accidental jibes.  And the fuse has never broken,
although when I was a boy I was aboard a boat which broke it's boom in heavy
weather.  The break happened at the vang's boom bale and I never forgot the
violence of the event, both when it happened, and during the aftermath.  It
happened at night while broad reaching in quite heavy air in a large boat.
I'll never be certain but we think we put the boom into the water while
sailing hard at high speed.  Quite dramatic.

Gord #426 Surprise

On 2016-11-03, 3:42 PM, "Don Campbell via Public-List"
<public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> What some of you who have dual purpose lines may want to consider are the
> consequences of that line breaking under load and what have you then?
> Don
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wes Gardner via Public-List
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:58 AM
> To: Mike Meinhold
> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all ; Bill McCoy
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang choice
> 
> I have my outhaul run to the cockpit...this has the added benefit of also
> acting as a downhaul as the line runs forward from the outer end of the
> boom to the underside of the gooseneck, turns down to a block at the base
> of the mast and then runs aft.  When tensioning the outhaul, the sliding
> gooseneck is also pulled down...I'm sure the racing crowd will look a
> little askance at this but hey, it works.... I don't have either a
> cunningham or flattening reef...
> 
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Mike Meinhold <meinhold272 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I am happy to stay old school with Gord. I just like my sliding gooseneck,
>> even though I have to kick it to make it slide!
>> 
>> Mike
>> #272
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think many think that a sliding gooseneck is "old Skool" and that a
>>> cunningham and flattening reef offer/better more shaping???
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I know people pound the table spilling each other's beer about fixed vs
>>>> sliding goosenecks... I like mine to move on it's track.  Why?  I just
>>> do,
>>>> that's why.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think rigid vangs require fixed goosenecks.  Nor should they
>>> impose
>>>> higher loads than tackles...
>>>> 
>>>> Gord #426 Surprise
>>>> 
>>>> PS  Pim of WINDWARD and I are just back from the 2016 Misery Trip.
>>>> This
>>>> year's expedition, although later in the season, was a sore
>>> disappointment
>>>> in that there was no misery.  We romped SURPRISE north out of Severn
>>> Sound
>>>> running and broad reaching touching seven knots on occasion getting to
>>> our
>>>> anchorage at Bone Island way too soon. We lounged and lay about all
>>>> afternoon, had a good supper out in the cockpit under lights hung from
>>> the
>>>> boom, admired the stars, slept in comfort, woke up in a not
>>>> particularly
>>>> chilly cabin, ate a hearty breakfast of scrambled eggs and sausage...
>>> Then
>>>> motored home in an incredible glassy calm in warm air.  Damn.  No
>>> misery.
>>>> 
>>>> I was thinking we'd have to go again in order to find the suffering we
>>> were
>>>> looking for, but my wife preempted that by volunteering to help me
>>>> strip
>>>> down the rig in preparation for haul out Saturday.  So now it's too
>>> late,
>>>> we
>>>> can't go again.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-11-03, 9:39 AM, "Wes Gardner via Public-List"
>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, the hard vangs MAY require a fixed point goose neck???  Mine is
>>> still
>>>>> on a track.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here's mine...just a simple arrangement of blocks led back to the
>>>>>> cockpit.  In fact it is was cobbled together by a PO use a mast bail
>>>> and a
>>>>>> boom bail.  It's the white line, the blue one is the tack line for
>>> the
>>>> asym.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill:
>>>>>>>    I know of two Alberg 30's that have Garhauer vangs. Both are in
>>> the
>>>>>>> Canadian race fleet and the one is still in the box because the
>>> first
>>>> one
>>>>>>> went on and tore the track off the mast that held the boom.
>>>>>>> Garhauer
>>>> made a
>>>>>>> bracket for the boom fitting so that that boom now does not move on
>>> the
>>>>>>> mast. As far as I know, Phil really likes his set up and I will
>>>> eventually
>>>>>>> get around to replacing the cloth vang I have, with the one in the
>>> box,
>>>>>>> once I figure out where to put the boom on the mast.  If you do get
>>> a
>>>>>>> Garhauer, make sure you get the mast bracket too. They are a small
>>>> enough
>>>>>>> company that they should be able to make the same one that was made
>>> for
>>>>>>> Gemini, # 362 and that was for the stock mast.
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill McCoy via Public-List
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 7:08 AM
>>>>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Continued Fitment questions on Boom Vang
>>> choice
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So Hull 614 is back in the water.  This time in South Carolina.
>>> Photo
>>>> at
>>>>>>> link:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [IMG]http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q763/Skeep575/DSC_0
>>>>>>> 479_zpsy8voe1sf.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Update discussion threads on Boom Vangs.  I've read the old posts
>>> about
>>>>>>> these.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Questions for the hearty:  1) For the Alberg, is there a consensus
>>> on
>>>>>>> type vang, blocks or rigid styles?  I'm referring to any sort of
>>> setup.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) Garhauer was mentioned as supplying for Albergs specifically.
>>>>>>> Is
>>>> this
>>>>>>> still the case that they are tuned-in to our design for boom vang
>>>> fitment?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> skeep
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
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