[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3588, Issue 2
Gordon Laco
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Sat Dec 30 05:26:13 PST 2017
Hello Jim –
The best lubrication is none... just keep them clean and free of grit (and salt if you’re in salt water.) Don’t use grease or oil based lubricants: they just accumulate dust and salt and will cause your winches to seize up. If you really feel the need to lubricate them, you could use very light applications of the silicone based greases some winch manufacturers supply. But if you do that, you will have to clean them more often because even ‘winch grease’ will hold grit etc.
Gord
#426 Surprise
On 2017-12-29, 9:47 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jim Semmens via Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
Own 1967 Alberg 30 hull 262. Can anyone tell me lubercation and maintence
for original barient winches?
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Today's Topics:
1. mast step vs A-frame (William Dirks)
2. Head plumping (Stephen Gwyn)
3. Re: Hinged Mast Step Continued (americo silva)
4. Re: Head plumping (Gordon Laco)
5. Re: Hinged Mast Step (Jonathan Bresler)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 10:19:53 -0500
From: William Dirks <williamdirks at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Public-List] mast step vs A-frame
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I installed a tabernacle on my boat (a Whitby 25), after using an A-frame to
unstep the mast. I used the A frame again to step the mast after installing
the tabernacle, then last year I used a series of lines and a spinnaker pole
(and a few neighbors) to step and unstep it. I'd say the only real
advantage to having the tabernacle and using a spinnaker pole is that that
system is mobile and can be done anywhere with equipment you already have on
the boat. The difference in stepping and unstepping is otherwise not that
different and requires the same number of people and level of care. As I
remember, Jean du Sud's tabernacle is a lot heftier than the off the shelf
variety and perhaps makes the process less stressful. I think his purpose
in installing a tabernacle was to be able to trailer the boat, so he needed
to frequently drop and re-step the mast.
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:17:54 -0800
From: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Public-List] Head plumping
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But the PVC components that everybody says will crack, have not cracked,
right?
SG
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:21:38 -0500
From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step Continued
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just a note I have his video
his mast is quite a bit taller than normal probably why his chain plate let
go too he claims there was no crane to lift the mast that is why he used a
tabernacle
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Yves Gelinas has a shorter mast than the factory stick too. That will
> change both the mass and leverage. I am fairly sure he uses a jib boom
> made out of the spin pole fastened to the mast.
> That boat is equipped for ocean sailing with things like 3 reefs in a
> 12 oz cloth for the main. He has it set for big winds and single handing.
> His book is now available in English too by the way.
> Don
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Kuperus via Public-List
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 5:38 PM
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Cc: Gerard Kuperus
> Subject: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step Continued
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
> A lot of you don't seem to think it is a good idea... I looked at the
> photo series of the A-Frame and read the description and to be honest
> taking the mast down that way freaks me out a bit. I guess it is what
> one is used to: I grew up in the Netherlands and am used to tall (over
> 50 ft) wooden masts on a tabernacle. For sure the forces on that are
> tremendous and you need big diameter cables and a winch, but it is
> possible and although everyone is always happy when the stick is back
> up, it is not a precarious endeavor.
> To make it work on the Alberg 30 requires some good planning and the
> right materials. The Ballenger mast steps are quite sturdy and are not
> "off the shelf" items. My suspicion is that they are mostly making
> them for the boats in Santa Cruz. SC has a bridge and I have heard
> they have boats with masts up to 45' have hinged mast steps for that
> reason. In any case, I will ask Ballenger.
> Looking at the drawing of Yves Gelinas set up (on capehorn.com) he has
> some hinge in the shrouds, exactly in line with the mast hinge. This
> is to make sure the tension remains more or less the same.
> If I understood the comments correctly, some of you seem to think of a
> static A-frame. That is not what I had in mind. Gelinas actually uses
> his spinnaker pole, I was thinking of replacing it with a moving
> a-frame. When the mast is vertical the frame is horizontal (more or
> less), when the mast is horizontal (more or less) the frame is vertical.
> Anyway, I will keep thinking about this and ask some more questions to
> those in the know! Obviously, I want to make sure it is a safe system.
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
> Gerard
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:23:29 -0500
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Cc: Stephen Gwyn <stephen.gwyn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Head plumping
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I?ve cracked PVC head fittings twice by overtightening the fastener... but
when gently snugged up as they should be done, have never had a problem.
Oh what a horrible sound is that little ?tick? of a breaking flange...
Head ?Plumping?? Is that what happens to the skipper after doing well in a
race... a stage past or perhaps before ?head swelling??
Gord
#426 Surprise
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But the PVC components that everybody says will crack, have not cracked,
right?
SG
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:43:23 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hinged Mast Step
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Count me in. Would be glad to help and to learn.
Jonathan
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Chris Martin via Public-List <
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> Mike
> Thanks for speaking up. Now that its in the open, who's up for a mast
> up/down? :) its another thing in my list.
> Chris
> On Thursday, December 28, 2017, 11:42:24 AM EST, Mike Lehman via
> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> The Alberg 30 Association has an A-frame for removing the mast. I am
> the keeper of the a-frame and have removed and installed about 50
> masts with it. The ideal number of people to operate it is 3. It takes
> about an hour+ to set it up and only minutes to lower or raise a mast.
> Detailed instructions are on the website at
> http://www.alberg30.org/maintenance/SparsSailsRigging/
> UnsteppingMast/9-TakeDownMast.html
> .
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gerard,
> >
> > Would you consider just building the A frame as you?ve suggested and
> > leaving everything else the same? I know some of the folks here on
> > the
> East
> > coast have such an arrangement...I think it DOES Require more than
> > one person.
> >
> > Wes
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Dec 27, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Gerard Kuperus via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > >
> > > Inspired by Yves Gelinas (as well as by my fear of heights) I am
> > thinking about installing a hinged mast base. It would allow me to
> inspect
> > once in a while and to do maintenance or solve problems up there. I
> > would use an A-Frame (two 10' galvanized pipes bolted together)
> > attached to the forestay or jib halyard, take the front lowers off,
> > and ease some tension on the uppers (I guess) and slowly lower with
> > a block and tackle
> (possibly
> > the mainsheet). I am sure some of you have a system set up, so here
> > are
> my
> > questions:
> > >
> > > - the existing baseplate (the aluminum piece on which the mast
> > > sits) is
> > rather large. I found Ballenger makes hinged mast steps, with a
> > topplate that is 8" x 5.5" (see http://ballengerspars.com/) .This
> > looks like a sturdy unity with the top and base plates on top of one
> > another, but how
> do
> > I attach the alluminum base to this (mine is the standard one with 4
> > big bolts). Having the nuts under the topplate would make it
non-functional.
> > >
> > > - If I could somehow figure out how to attach these (or get
> > > another
> mast
> > base that can be screwed on) it seems that the hinge should be as
> > close
> to
> > the mast as possible. If the pivot point is far aft the shrouds
> > would
> need
> > to be loosened quite a bit (since the mast would first go up). Or do
> > I
> not
> > get that right?
> > >
> > > - So, it seems I need a smaller mast base. Ballenger does have a
> smaller
> > hinged mast step. Not sure where I can find a mast base for a 6 x
> > 3.6 extrusion, but I am sure it is out there.
> > >
> > > - Another option is the hinge made by Dwyer (see for example here:
> > http://www.downwindmarine.com/Dwyer-Hinged-Mast-Plates-
> > Stainless-Steel-p-90890668.html). Now the biggest one is 6.5. The
> > Alberg
> > 30 mast would just fit on that.
> > >
> > > - A custom option is possible, but I think Ballenger makes a
> > > pretty
> > solid product.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on my thoughts? Would I be right in getting a smaller
> > > mast
> > base and then go for a hinged mast step that is about 6.5 x 4?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Gerard
> > >
> > > Skye Mist
> > >
> > > San Francisco Bay Area
> > >
> > >
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