[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.

Thu Nov 23 08:18:34 PST 2017

Haven't seen any.  Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants.
But its a good idea!    MSC Direct seems to have something that might
fit
Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8"
drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt.

Jonathan

https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n
Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch Outside
Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min
Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter
<https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330>

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Why not a thin piece of teflon
>
> On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Gord,  Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear its
> > ugly head.
> >
> > The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into.  No problem
> having a
> > washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me.  Might be hard
> to
> > find one
> > thin enough.  Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock
> which
> > might be
> > 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total.  That's pretty thin.  Seems
> that
> > there is
> > phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from
> > Lyonindustries
> > http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 .  They even have an assortment
> > 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following sizes:
> > .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032
> >
> > Gord, how about phosphor bronze ?
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Spoken like a true pommy. Eh?
> > >
> > > On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far superior
> to
> > > > anything made in the states............................
> > > > Jonathan,
> > > > I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers. The
> > > rudder
> > > > head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer on
> just
> > > one
> > > > side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the
> > washers
> > > > so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is centered
> so
> > to
> > > > speak. Yes I have been known to do that.
> > > > BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position
> > whilst
> > > > aligning them for the bolt.
> > > > Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving!
> > > > Michael #133
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > > > To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> org
> > >
> > > > Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is too
> > soft
> > > > to last long in that application.
> > > >
> > > > A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces of
> > the
> > > > rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not
> > > difficult
> > > > to do, but this will be a lasting solution.
> > > >
> > > > Gord
> > > > #426 Surprise
> > > >
> > > > On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan Bresler
> via
> > > > Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the tiller
> to
> > > the
> > > > rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like. Initial
> > > > movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move the
> > > > rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this.
> > > >
> > > > Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the side
> of a
> > > > Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the pieces
> to
> > > > match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a
> 3/8"
> > > hole
> > > > in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side of
> > the
> > > > rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H fitting.
> > > >
> > > > Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response.
> > > > Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim
> stock
> > is
> > > > softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and steel(?)
> for
> > > the
> > > > H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in
> order
> > > to
> > > > prevent wear of the other parts.
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage?
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert Pirsig's
> > > > _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe that
> the
> > > book
> > > > is forty-three years old now.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jonathan M Bresler
> > > > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > > > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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Jonathan M Bresler
S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
Annapolis/Eastport MD