[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.

Thu Nov 23 09:19:02 PST 2017

A UHMW washer may also be a good choice. A bag of them is just a few
dollars an will not wear the rudder stock.

On Nov 23, 2017 11:57 AM, "Chris Martin via Public-List" <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

>  Hi
> If you are really going full ADD on this, like I have been known to do,
> this should work https://www.mcmaster.com/#93490a007/=1adrho9
>     On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 11:18:42 AM EST, Jonathan Bresler via
> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>  Haven't seen any.  Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants.
> But its a good idea!    MSC Direct seems to have something that might
> fit
> Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8"
> drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt.
>
> Jonathan
>
> https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+
> shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n
> Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch Outside
> Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min
> Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter
> <https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330>
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Why not a thin piece of teflon
> >
> > On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Gord,  Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear its
> > > ugly head.
> > >
> > > The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into.  No problem
> > having a
> > > washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me.  Might be hard
> > to
> > > find one
> > > thin enough.  Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock
> > which
> > > might be
> > > 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total.  That's pretty thin.  Seems
> > that
> > > there is
> > > phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from
> > > Lyonindustries
> > > http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 .  They even have an assortment
> > > 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following sizes:
> > > .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032
> > >
> > > Gord, how about phosphor bronze ?
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Spoken like a true pommy. Eh?
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far
> superior
> > to
> > > > > anything made in the states............................
> > > > > Jonathan,
> > > > > I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers. The
> > > > rudder
> > > > > head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer on
> > just
> > > > one
> > > > > side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the
> > > washers
> > > > > so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is centered
> > so
> > > to
> > > > > speak. Yes I have been known to do that.
> > > > > BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position
> > > whilst
> > > > > aligning them for the bolt.
> > > > > Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving!
> > > > > Michael #133
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> org>
> > > > > To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> > org
> > > >
> > > > > Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is too
> > > soft
> > > > > to last long in that application.
> > > > >
> > > > > A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces
> of
> > > the
> > > > > rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not
> > > > difficult
> > > > > to do, but this will be a lasting solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gord
> > > > > #426 Surprise
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan Bresler
> > via
> > > > > Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> > > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the tiller
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like.
> Initial
> > > > > movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move
> the
> > > > > rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the side
> > of a
> > > > > Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the
> pieces
> > to
> > > > > match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a
> > 3/8"
> > > > hole
> > > > > in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side
> of
> > > the
> > > > > rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H
> fitting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response.
> > > > > Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim
> > stock
> > > is
> > > > > softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and steel(?)
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in
> > order
> > > > to
> > > > > prevent wear of the other parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert
> Pirsig's
> > > > > _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe that
> > the
> > > > book
> > > > > is forty-three years old now.
> > > > >
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