[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Sun Nov 26 22:14:01 PST 2017
I’ll send you my rigging schedule off line... George, did I ever send that to you?
Gord
#426 Surprise
On 2017-11-26, 9:54 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Wehicks via Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
I know this is off subject and I apologize but I can’t find a list of all the lines size and length on the website. I have seen it some where but I have looked for 2 hours and can’t find this info. Help
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> On Nov 24, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Ah!.................I got the Ultra High part right. Thank you.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Paul Wilson via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: "Paul Wilson" <dcmcrider at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:39:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>
> Ultra-High Molecular Weight polyethylene.
>
> Paul
> SLAINTE #129
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> What is UHMW? Ultra High Mashed Wastepaper?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Andrew Johns via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>
>> Cc: "Andrew Johns" <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:19:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>>
>> A UHMW washer may also be a good choice. A bag of them is just a few
>> dollars an will not wear the rudder stock.
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2017 11:57 AM, "Chris Martin via Public-List" <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> If you are really going full ADD on this, like I have been known to do,
>>> this should work https://www.mcmaster.com/#93490a007/=1adrho9
>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 11:18:42 AM EST, Jonathan Bresler via
>>> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't seen any. Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants.
>>> But its a good idea! MSC Direct seems to have something that might
>>> fit
>>> Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8"
>>> drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+
>>> shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n
>>> Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch
>> Outside
>>> Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min
>>> Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter
>>> <https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why not a thin piece of teflon
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gord, Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear
>> its
>>>>> ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into. No problem
>>>> having a
>>>>> washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me. Might be
>> hard
>>>> to
>>>>> find one
>>>>> thin enough. Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock
>>>> which
>>>>> might be
>>>>> 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total. That's pretty thin. Seems
>>>> that
>>>>> there is
>>>>> phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from
>>>>> Lyonindustries
>>>>> http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 . They even have an assortment
>>>>> 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following
>> sizes:
>>>>> .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032
>>>>>
>>>>> Gord, how about phosphor bronze ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like a true pommy. Eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" <
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far
>>> superior
>>>> to
>>>>>>> anything made in the states............................
>>>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>>>> I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers.
>> The
>>>>>> rudder
>>>>>>> head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer
>> on
>>>> just
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the
>>>>> washers
>>>>>>> so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is
>> centered
>>>> so
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> speak. Yes I have been known to do that.
>>>>>>> BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position
>>>>> whilst
>>>>>>> aligning them for the bolt.
>>>>>>> Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving!
>>>>>>> Michael #133
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.
>>> org>
>>>>>>> To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.
>>>> org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is
>> too
>>>>> soft
>>>>>>> to last long in that application.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not
>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>> to do, but this will be a lasting solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan
>> Bresler
>>>> via
>>>>>>> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf
>> of
>>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the
>> tiller
>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like.
>>> Initial
>>>>>>> movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move
>>> the
>>>>>>> rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the
>> side
>>>> of a
>>>>>>> Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the
>>> pieces
>>>> to
>>>>>>> match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a
>>>> 3/8"
>>>>>> hole
>>>>>>> in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H
>>> fitting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response.
>>>>>>> Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim
>>>> stock
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and
>> steel(?)
>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in
>>>> order
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> prevent wear of the other parts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert
>>> Pirsig's
>>>>>>> _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe
>> that
>>>> the
>>>>>> book
>>>>>>> is forty-three years old now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
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>>>>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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