[Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix.

Wehicks wehicks at gmail.com
Sun Nov 26 18:54:07 PST 2017


I know this is off subject and I apologize but I can’t find a list of all the lines size and length on the website. I have seen it some where but I have looked for 2 hours and can’t find this info. Help

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> On Nov 24, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Ah!.................I got the Ultra High part right. Thank you. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Paul Wilson via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
> Cc: "Paul Wilson" <dcmcrider at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 12:39:29 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix. 
> 
> Ultra-High Molecular Weight polyethylene. 
> 
> Paul 
> SLAINTE #129 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List < 
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
> 
>> What is UHMW? Ultra High Mashed Wastepaper? 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> 
>> From: "Andrew Johns via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> 
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org 
>>> 
>> Cc: "Andrew Johns" <johnsab9 at gmail.com> 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:19:02 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix. 
>> 
>> A UHMW washer may also be a good choice. A bag of them is just a few 
>> dollars an will not wear the rudder stock. 
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2017 11:57 AM, "Chris Martin via Public-List" < 
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Hi 
>>> If you are really going full ADD on this, like I have been known to do, 
>>> this should work https://www.mcmaster.com/#93490a007/=1adrho9 
>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 11:18:42 AM EST, Jonathan Bresler via 
>>> Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Haven't seen any. Have telfon tape and telfon based lubricants. 
>>> But its a good idea! MSC Direct seems to have something that might 
>>> fit 
>>> Seem to recall that the tiller head bolt is 3/8", at least I used a 3/8" 
>>> drill bit to drill the aluminum to fit the bolt. 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan 
>>> 
>>> https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/?searchterm=teflon+ 
>>> shim&hdrsrh=true#navid=4287872381&searchterm=teflon+shim&lh=n 
>>> Made in USA - 3/8 Inch Screw, 0.39 Inch Inside Diameter, 0.875 Inch 
>> Outside 
>>> Diameter, 0.062 Inch Thick, Flat Washer - PTFE, Uncoated, 0.057 Inch Min 
>>> Thickness, 0.395 Inch Max Inside Diameter 
>>> <https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/05404330> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List < 
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> Why not a thin piece of teflon 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 23, 2017 11:01 AM, "Jonathan Bresler via Public-List" < 
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> Gord, Thank you. Was afraid of that the corrosion issue would rear 
>> its 
>>>>> ugly head. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The bronze washer idea sounds worthwhile looking into. No problem 
>>>> having a 
>>>>> washer on one side only...not an aesthetic issue for me. Might be 
>> hard 
>>>> to 
>>>>> find one 
>>>>> thin enough. Currently there are four layers of beer can shim stock 
>>>> which 
>>>>> might be 
>>>>> 0.065mm thick each layer or 0.26mm total. That's pretty thin. Seems 
>>>> that 
>>>>> there is 
>>>>> phospor bronze shim stock available in a suitable thickness from 
>>>>> Lyonindustries 
>>>>> http://lyonindustries.com/?page_id=9 . They even have an assortment 
>>>>> 6" x 12" assortment contains one piece of each of the following 
>> sizes: 
>>>>> .005, .008, .010, .013, .016, .020, .025, .032 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gord, how about phosphor bronze ? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.beveragecan.info/en/inform-me/advantages-of-cans/ 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List < 
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Spoken like a true pommy. Eh? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2017 10:06 AM, "Michael Connolly via Public-List" < 
>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now wait a minute. All folks know that Canadian beer is far 
>>> superior 
>>>> to 
>>>>>>> anything made in the states............................ 
>>>>>>> Jonathan, 
>>>>>>> I have solved this issue on several boats using bronze washers. 
>> The 
>>>>>> rudder 
>>>>>>> head and tiller fitting on our boats should be bronze. A washer 
>> on 
>>>> just 
>>>>>> one 
>>>>>>> side is fine. If you are finicky about this you can pare down the 
>>>>> washers 
>>>>>>> so there is an equal number on each side and the tiller is 
>> centered 
>>>> so 
>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> speak. Yes I have been known to do that. 
>>>>>>> BTW a bit of grease on the washers helps to hold them in position 
>>>>> whilst 
>>>>>>> aligning them for the bolt. 
>>>>>>> Happy driving..................oh and Thanksgiving! 
>>>>>>> Michael #133 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30. 
>>> org> 
>>>>>>> To: "George Dinwiddie via Public-List" 
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30. 
>>>> org 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:23:31 PM 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Tiller wobble and possible fix. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, you’re guaranteeing corrosion damage, and the aluminium is 
>> too 
>>>>> soft 
>>>>>>> to last long in that application. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A permanent cure would be to build up the inside bearing surfaces 
>>> of 
>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> rudder head with brazing, then grind and sand it down to fit. Not 
>>>>>> difficult 
>>>>>>> to do, but this will be a lasting solution. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gord 
>>>>>>> #426 Surprise 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2017-11-21, 8:12 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Jonathan 
>> Bresler 
>>>> via 
>>>>>>> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf 
>> of 
>>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Folks, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Got tiller wobble, The metal H shaped section connecting the 
>> tiller 
>>>> to 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> rudder head fitting does not fit as tightly as I would like. 
>>> Initial 
>>>>>>> movements of the tiller take up slack then finally start to move 
>>> the 
>>>>>>> rudder. Decided I needed to do something about this. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Obtained two pieces of top shelf aluminum shim stock from the 
>> side 
>>>> of a 
>>>>>>> Heinekin beer car. Folded the two pieces in half. Trimmed the 
>>> pieces 
>>>> to 
>>>>>>> match the height of the H fitting and a similar length. Drilled a 
>>>> 3/8" 
>>>>>> hole 
>>>>>>> in the center of each of the two. Installed one shim on each side 
>>> of 
>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> rudder head fitting between the rudder head and the tiller H 
>>> fitting. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Went sailing today. Comparatively NO wobble. Nice tight response. 
>>>>>>> Shouid have done this a while ago. Hoping that the aluminum shim 
>>>> stock 
>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> softer than other metals, bronze for the rudder head, and 
>> steel(?) 
>>>> for 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> H fitting. Would be happy to replace the shim stock every year in 
>>>> order 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> prevent wear of the other parts. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thoughts? Am I risking corrosion damage? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jonathan 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> P.S. Stole the idea of using beer can shim stock from Robert 
>>> Pirsig's 
>>>>>>> _Zen_and_the_Art_of_Motorcycle_Maintenance_. Hard to believe 
>> that 
>>>> the 
>>>>>> book 
>>>>>>> is forty-three years old now. 
>>>>>>> 
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