[Public-List] Reefing/furling

Dustin Hogard dustinhogard at gmail.com
Thu Oct 5 21:15:17 PDT 2017


To whom it may concern,

I've had Revolver, Hull # 140, for sale for quite a while now but didn't in
my heart of hearts really want to sell her. So I apologize if any of you
inquired about her status and I didn't get back to you.

I just found out that I have to relocate my business in 4 months, which is
going to be a great next chapter in my life, but it means I need to get
serous about selling my Alberg 30.

I had a broker list it with details and photos. You do not need to go
through the broker. Just for the sake of getting detailed information, you
can find them here: https://www.popyachts.com/sloop-sailboats-for-sale/
whitby-boat-works-alberg-30-in-kemah-texas-96821
(Sorry, if you have to make an account and log on that's just how they do
things to see their listings)

Please let me know how serious of a buyer you are and I can provide more
information and arrange to meet to show the boat.

It's currently located in Seabrook, Texas

~ Dustin
Revolver
#140

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Two thoughts: first the stay sail. The sail plan on the AL30 is a
> gerrymandered rig because of Humber Bay in Toronto, (also known as Slumber
> Bay). It was designed by Alberg as a  fractional rig and Kurt raised it to
> a masthead rig because of light summer winds in Toronto.  I know of only
> one deck that can withstand the force of a  baby stay without further
> reinforcement and that was Hull number 7 and sail number in the 20's, owned
> by Denis Furniss. There was an oak plank, 2" x 14" from the bulkhead to the
> deck head piece under the deck to support a windlass on that boat. Denis
> was the mold maker for Kurt. He could do as he liked on the hull . (He also
> had a roll-out double bed in the main cabin).   Consider the geometry of
> the sail plan if you do change. We already have a center of effort (CoE)
> that is aft and so helm can be a problem.  Having a sail on the forestay
> keeps the CoE of the foresail forward and also that of the combined CoE
> forward. Pointing ability will be better with the sail on the forestay. As
> long as one can establish a slot between foresail and main, things will
> work well. On the other hand, Joe Fernandez, the sail builder for most of
> the original sails on AL30s had a rule of thumb that went like this:  For
> racing; Up to 15 knots use full sail allowed (163 jib and full main).
> Between 15 and 22 knots use a smaller foresail (135 -150) and one reef in
> the main. More than 22 knots take the main down and sail on the jib! Don't
> forget that you develop between 65 and 70% of your power from your
> foresail. Why you want to reduce that potential is questionable in my
> opinion.
>    Second thought: As for the area of a sail and decksweepers, old math
> states the area of a triangle is 1/2 the base  x height. and height is the
> perpendicular from the apex(clew) to the base (luff). Therefore as long as
> the angle at the tack  from head to tack to the clew is less than 90
> degrees, the perpendicular to the luff is the same regardless of whether
> the sail is high cut or decksweeper.  The only way to get more area is to
> increase the perpendicular distance.
> Don
> -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: George Dinwiddie via Public-List
>
> Cc: Gordon Laco
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reefing/furling
>
> Yes... so long as the very tight wraps resulting from furling in heavy air
> are relieved once the yacht is in quieter conditions.
>
> Gord #426 Surprise
>
> On 2017-10-04, 1:55 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Rod Symmes via
> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>    So - can I extrapolate from this that kinder than flaking or stuffing
> would be rolling it up on the foil because there would be no creasing ?
> (Assuming a good sunshade edge, of course )
>
>
>    Cheers,  Rod
>
>    -------- Original message --------
>    From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
>    Date:04-10-2017 12:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
>    To: Michael , George Dinwiddie via Public-List
>    Cc: Gordon Laco
>    Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reefing/furling
>
>    Hello Michael –
>
>    In my wooden boat days, I used to punish my genoa for a bad race by
> stuffing it, and reward it for a good race by folding it...
>
>    I’ve heard the folding vs stuffing debate too, and reckon the
> stuffing-may-be-better theory is debunked... folding generally considered
> by the industry as better for sail longevity.
>
>    Gord #426 Surprise
>
>
>    On 2017-10-04, 12:32 PM, "Public-List on behalf of Michael via
> Public-List" <public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org on behalf of
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>        There is an argument that flaking, folding and rolling a sail after
>        every use is more harmful to it than just stuffing in the sailbag,
> the
>        same crease more or less being constantly used.
>        I compromise, stuffing during the season, and folding for winter
>        storage.
>        Also, I seem to recall the max dimension #1 Genoa for the Alberg
> works
>        out to 163%. I had a #2 made with full luff and raised clew that
> worked
>        out to 150%. It has become my go to cruising sail (I have a working
> jib
>        for when things get really funky). The decksweeping feature of the
> #1
>        must be a significant addition to total sail area-I have not
> calculated.
>        Michael Grosh
>        #220
>        hanked on headsails
>
>
>        ------ Original Message ------
>        From: "charles pleisse via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>        To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>        Cc: "charles pleisse" <velocharles1 at gmail.com>
>        Sent: 10/4/2017 10:51:22 AM
>        Subject: [Public-List] Reefing/furling
>
>        >As for keeping the sail out of the water, I have a slight
> advantage as
>        >my
>        >#1 is a 150%*+* so it is a little smaller than many and it so old
> and
>        >worn
>        >that it is as compliant as tissue paper.  I just untie the clue and
>        >stuff
>        >it in the bag as it comes down.  When I get a new #1 I'm sure it
> will
>        >be a
>        >little greater challenge.
>        >
>        >Charles Pleisse
>        >College Park Bicycles
>        >( <http://www.bike123.com>301)864-2211
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