[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3713, Issue 1
Daniel Swords
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Tue Aug 28 07:07:57 PDT 2018
I have a “last chance” tail line (~ 10 ft of 3/16 in double braid) attached to the end of mine then routed back out of the deck pipe and tied to the bow cleat. If I ever reach the beginning of the tail line hopefully I can snub off the anchor line.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: No Anchors (Gordon Laco)
2. Re: No Anchors (Clay Pass)
3. Re: No Anchors (Gordon Laco)
4. Re: No Anchors (Rod Symmes)
5. Re: No Anchors (Gordon Laco)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:56:24 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
To: Rod Symmes <weatherhelm at hotmail.com>
Cc: A30 List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Public-List] No Anchors
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Yes, best not to run into other boats!
Hope our boats are ok tonight... a terrific thunderstorm just passed through; most ferocious lighting and constant I recall ever seeing.
Good night Rod
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> On Aug 27, 2018, at 9:49 PM, Rod Symmes <weatherhelm at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am sure you are right ? you have much more experience in such blood sports.
> That is a chilling story. I would not expect to find such an agile boat getting into such a mess that she would T-bone right over the cockpit. Ugg ! Easily questioned from my evening chair.
>
> Right as you probably are, I am in some doubt that removing an anchor would reduce damage. The hardware for launching my anchor looks even more dangerous than the nice curved backside of your Bruce. I am sure every anchor/chute combination would be different.
> Here is a plan........ you keep away from my bow and I will keep away from yours. (-:
>
> I don?t want to think about this any more ? I need to get to sleep soon.
>
>
> Cheers, Rod
>
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> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:49:30 PM
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> Cc: Rod Symmes
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] No Anchors
>
> Hello Rod -
>
> I don?t think anyone secures at the dock with their anchors overhanging? and if they did, as you say it is much easier to deal with that on an individual basis than addressing only those who race?and probably not ?getting? those who don?t know how to tie up their boats.
>
> I?m sure the reason for the no anchors when racing rule mentioned earlier is the issue of anchors up forward potentially increasing the damage should boats collide. If the anchor hooks onto rigging what might have been a simple bang and bounce off can become a dismasting? much more dangerous with regard to the likelihood of people getting hurt.
>
> A similar rule exists in most dinghy racing classes but instead of anchors up there, the rule prohibits fixed towing eyes such as many light boats have for hauling them up onto trailers. Funny thing is that there was a collision between a pair of 5.5Mtr class yachts at the North American?s hosted by our club this summer. For obscure reasons one of the 5.5s had a fixed towing eye bolted through her stem? and she collided with another boat, hitting her from leeward about level with the helmsman?s cockpit. Google 5.5 Meter Class Yachts to get an idea of the long noses those boats can have.
>
> Two things happened, both related to the towing eye. Number one; the attacker drove over the boat she hit? the towing eye cut into the boat being hit and ripped her open like a can opener, tearing through planking, shear clamp and about two feet of deck. The the second thing is that the bow stopped in the helmsman?s lap when the towing eye halted in it?s merry progress by a teak cockpit coaming it couldn?t break through..
>
> So the towing eye made the damage much much worse? but if it hadn?t been there, there would have been no energy absorbing braking force to slow the attacker down, and the helmsman of the boat being hit might have been crushed under the bow of the boat driving over his.
>
> Hmmm?
>
> Well the best thing is of course NOT to hit other boats?
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 27, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have been thinking about the NO ANCHOR ON THE BOW.
>>
>> I can't help wonder if there is more to the rule than ?All anchors shall be removed from the bow and stored below?.
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised if the concern isn't members tied up at the club with their anchors hanging over the dock and constituting a hazard to people walking the docks. Liability may be the real issue. If this is the case, it would seem to me to be more useful to require boats to either tie up further back in the slip or stern to. This would be more effective than removing the anchor - some of those roller / mounts would still be obstructing the dock.
>>
>> Does that sound too sensible ? (-:
>>
>> My two cents
>>
>> Cheers, Rod
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 22:51:56 -0400
From: Clay Pass <clay.q.pass at gmail.com>
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By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how are people attaching the loose
end of their anchor rode inside the chain locker? Mine was not attached to
anything when I bought it and there is nothing on the inside sturdy enough
to attach to... any ideas?
Clay
#449 Seeing Deep
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:31 PM Rod Symmes via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> I have been thinking about the NO ANCHOR ON THE BOW.
>
> I can't help wonder if there is more to the rule than ?All anchors shall
> be removed from the bow and stored below?.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if the concern isn't members tied up at the club
> with their anchors hanging over the dock and constituting a hazard to
> people walking the docks. Liability may be the real issue. If this is
> the case, it would seem to me to be more useful to require boats to either
> tie up further back in the slip or stern to. This would be more effective
> than removing the anchor - some of those roller / mounts would still be
> obstructing the dock.
>
> Does that sound too sensible ? (-:
>
> My two cents
>
> Cheers, Rod
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:15:05 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] No Anchors
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Very good question Clay
I have about six feet of rope on the end of the chain... I?ve arranged a figure of eight knot on the bitter end of it so it won?t fit up through the chain deck pipe if all the chain ran out and it came under load.
Gord
Surprise 426
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> On Aug 27, 2018, at 10:51 PM, Clay Pass via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how are people attaching the loose
> end of their anchor rode inside the chain locker? Mine was not attached to
> anything when I bought it and there is nothing on the inside sturdy enough
> to attach to... any ideas?
>
> Clay
> #449 Seeing Deep
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:31 PM Rod Symmes via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> I have been thinking about the NO ANCHOR ON THE BOW.
>>
>> I can't help wonder if there is more to the rule than ?All anchors shall
>> be removed from the bow and stored below?.
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised if the concern isn't members tied up at the club
>> with their anchors hanging over the dock and constituting a hazard to
>> people walking the docks. Liability may be the real issue. If this is
>> the case, it would seem to me to be more useful to require boats to either
>> tie up further back in the slip or stern to. This would be more effective
>> than removing the anchor - some of those roller / mounts would still be
>> obstructing the dock.
>>
>> Does that sound too sensible ? (-:
>>
>> My two cents
>>
>> Cheers, Rod
>>
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:43:32 +0000
From: Rod Symmes <weatherhelm at hotmail.com>
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Hi Clay;
I would suggest that you make fast to the strongest member available using the strongest method practical and then treat it as though it is too flimsy and always fasten to a deck cleat so IT takes all the strain. The attachment in the locker is ONLY for preventing the loss of the bitter end while running out your rode. ( they don't call it that for nothing ; -)
Cheers, Rod
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From: Clay Pass via Public-List
Date:27-08-2018 10:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] No Anchors
By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how are people attaching the loose
end of their anchor rode inside the chain locker? Mine was not attached to
anything when I bought it and there is nothing on the inside sturdy enough
to attach to... any ideas?
Clay
#449 Seeing Deep
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:31 PM Rod Symmes via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> I have been thinking about the NO ANCHOR ON THE BOW.
>
> I can't help wonder if there is more to the rule than ?All anchors shall
> be removed from the bow and stored below?.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if the concern isn't members tied up at the club
> with their anchors hanging over the dock and constituting a hazard to
> people walking the docks. Liability may be the real issue. If this is
> the case, it would seem to me to be more useful to require boats to either
> tie up further back in the slip or stern to. This would be more effective
> than removing the anchor - some of those roller / mounts would still be
> obstructing the dock.
>
> Does that sound too sensible ? (-:
>
> My two cents
>
> Cheers, Rod
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:57:42 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Right on Rod,
When I first bought SURPRISE, I put two pad eyes in the forward part of the forepeak bulkhead, low down. However that bulkhead is purely cosmetic and really wouldn?t withstand any particular load, so I set things up so the bitter end won?t fit up through the deck.
In extremis?. if the whole length ran out and the yacht pulled up short against it? the knot would have to tear up through the deck, removing the windlass bolted over the hole with big mahogany pads on both sides? I think that?s about as secure as I can make it.
Gordon Laco
#426 Surprise
PS on a happier topic, on the last day of our cruise earlier this month we were motoring home just east of Giant?s Tomb Island and saw what appeared to be an Alberg 30 almost bows on motoring toward us.
As we closed with them, I became sure it was an A30 and altered my course to pass him close. (dark anodizing on the thickish mast, single spreaders, proper shippy bow, low freeboard?etc) The other boat noticed and promptly altered to keep their distance as we passed? I altered again? they altered away again? I altered toward again? they altered sharply away and I saw them stand up with ?concerned? body language? then suddenly they recognized us as a fellow A30 and they started waving energetically.
It was Serguei in #602 looking really sharp and well looked after. We exchanged messages later?but I?ll say again ?hey Serguei, sorry I looked like I was intent on ramming and boarding for a while there! Your boat looks great.'
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Clay;
> I would suggest that you make fast to the strongest member available using the strongest method practical and then treat it as though it is too flimsy and always fasten to a deck cleat so IT takes all the strain. The attachment in the locker is ONLY for preventing the loss of the bitter end while running out your rode. ( they don't call it that for nothing ; -)
>
>
> Cheers, Rod
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Clay Pass via Public-List
> Date:27-08-2018 10:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Cc: Clay Pass
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] No Anchors
>
> By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how are people attaching the loose
> end of their anchor rode inside the chain locker? Mine was not attached to
> anything when I bought it and there is nothing on the inside sturdy enough
> to attach to... any ideas?
>
> Clay
> #449 Seeing Deep
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 8:31 PM Rod Symmes via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> I have been thinking about the NO ANCHOR ON THE BOW.
>>
>> I can't help wonder if there is more to the rule than ?All anchors shall
>> be removed from the bow and stored below?.
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised if the concern isn't members tied up at the club
>> with their anchors hanging over the dock and constituting a hazard to
>> people walking the docks. Liability may be the real issue. If this is
>> the case, it would seem to me to be more useful to require boats to either
>> tie up further back in the slip or stern to. This would be more effective
>> than removing the anchor - some of those roller / mounts would still be
>> obstructing the dock.
>>
>> Does that sound too sensible ? (-:
>>
>> My two cents
>>
>> Cheers, Rod
>>
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