[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3669, Issue 1

americo silva picomar1957 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 3 21:07:03 PDT 2018 

I also am new to sailing and would like some explanation as to what the
purpose of a roller furller is if not to roll it up when wind pipes up
if replacing the sail with a smaller one is what is called for then I think
hank on would be better than trying to switch roller furling sails


On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:29 AM Daniel Swords via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> I live in Mandeville Louisiana and also sail my Alberg 30 on Lake
> Pontchartrain (I did not know there was another A30 in this area). I
> currently have a 135 genoa. For me that is too large and when I replace it
> it will be with a 120 genoa (but I don’t race and am in no great hurry to
> get anywhere). Despite what others say about not being able to use a furler
> for reefing I find that I can furle my genoa about 10% and the sail still
> will maintain a good shape.  Beyond that 10% (which isn’t a lot) it looses
> its shape and looks embarrassing. I also disagree that that places damaging
> strains on the sail but that is just my opinion, I am sure others know much
> more than me. I would however love to have someone demonstrate to me how
> they leave the cockpit, go to the bow of the boat, drop and stow a 150
> genoa and replace it with a smaller sail in 15+ knots of wind while sailing
> singlehanded. Hard enough to do with a hank on jib. I simply can not do it.
> Of course, it would be nice if the winds were always steady enough that I
> could select my headsail and reef my main in my slip, but that is not the
> case on Lake Pontchartrain.
> When I am sailing and decide I need to reef my sails I first generally put
> one reef in the main, if the wind continues to increase my next step is to
> roller furle my genoa about 10% (makes it about a 120 genoa), my third step
> is a second reef in the main, after that I furle the jib to about the size
> of a storm jib because I find that my boat doesn’t sail very well on just
> the double reefed main and even a tiny bit of jib makes an improvement.
> Beyond that I hove to.
>
> Pardon my including the entire digest in this reply, I can not figure out
> a way not to. Daniel SwordsSolitude #525
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>   1. New sails (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
>   2. Re: New sails (Michael Connolly)
>   3. Re: New sails (Jonathan Bresler)
>   4. Re: New sails (Gordon Laco)
>   5. Re: New sails (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:18:05 -0500
> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>     <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Public-List] New sails
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> Greetings from New Orleans.
> I would like to field different opinions on the subject of sails,
> specifically furler headsail size. I have started sailing my A30 just in
> the last month after 1year spent refitting her. I bought her with a 10y old
> mainsail that needs replacement and a 7y old 150% genoa (very good
> condition but no foam in luff) on a Profurl furler. On my previous boat,
> Pearson Vanguard, I had hank on headsails. So, I had a 90% jib, 125% and
> 150% genoas and I would select them accordingly. Now, aside from seeing the
> real convenience of a headsail furler, I find myself questioning what size
> headsail would best fit most conditions encountered here throughout the
> year. I am also planning on purchasing a new main but that is pretty
> straightforward. Summer winds here are between 5-12k and then they pick up
> in the fall, winter and spring. As fronts move in, we?ll go out in 15-20k
> gusting to 25k. Over 25k we?ll usually stay in port. So here are some
> options I have been toiling with.
> 1. New main plus my present 150% genoa with added foam pad in the luff for
> better shape when partially furled.
> 2. New main plus a 125% genoa with foam pad luff ?fall/winter sail? and
> keep the 150% as is for summer use.
> 3. New main plus 135-140% genoa with foam pad luff and keep the 150% as
> spare.
>
> I appreciate your input. Hopefully, it won?t be as contentious as anchor
> selection.
> Marcelo
> #441 Alegr?a
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 01:43:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>     <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] New sails
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> Marcelo,
> My first reaction is option number 3. Bend on the 150 when you know it is
> going to be light, i.e., summer time. What type of sailing do you do? Any
> racing? Daysailing mostly?
> The main would be good to have two reef points. If only one reef make it a
> hefty one, like half way between what would be a first and second reef. If
> you plan to have a loose footed main or a shelf in the foot fashion a
> decent outhaul that can be employed on any point of sail.
> BTW I dislike using the headsail furler for reefing. While your Vanguard
> sail selection might be considered antiquated by todays standards I like
> that style.
> Happy sailing,
> Michael #133
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>
> Cc: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:18:05 PM
> Subject: [Public-List] New sails
>
> Greetings from New Orleans.
> I would like to field different opinions on the subject of sails,
> specifically furler headsail size. I have started sailing my A30 just in
> the last month after 1year spent refitting her. I bought her with a 10y old
> mainsail that needs replacement and a 7y old 150% genoa (very good
> condition but no foam in luff) on a Profurl furler. On my previous boat,
> Pearson Vanguard, I had hank on headsails. So, I had a 90% jib, 125% and
> 150% genoas and I would select them accordingly. Now, aside from seeing the
> real convenience of a headsail furler, I find myself questioning what size
> headsail would best fit most conditions encountered here throughout the
> year. I am also planning on purchasing a new main but that is pretty
> straightforward. Summer winds here are between 5-12k and then they pick up
> in the fall, winter and spring. As fronts move in, we?ll go out in 15-20k
> gusting to 25k. Over 25k we?ll usually stay in port. So here are some
> options I have been toiling with.
> 1. New main plus my present 150% genoa with added foam pad in the luff for
> better shape when partially furled.
> 2. New main plus a 125% genoa with foam pad luff ?fall/winter sail? and
> keep the 150% as is for summer use.
> 3. New main plus 135-140% genoa with foam pad luff and keep the 150% as
> spare.
>
> I appreciate your input. Hopefully, it won?t be as contentious as anchor
> selection.
> Marcelo
> #441 Alegr?a
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 05:35:15 -0400
> From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] New sails
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> Marcelo,
>
> Suggest not using the furler for reefing.  Even with foam in the luff, the
> sail does not set near as well as it does when fully deployed.  The
> stresses placed on the sail by the higher wind speeds fall at locations
> that are not designed to handle them....no tack and head patches increasing
> the thickness of the sail from single ply to two, three or more.
>
> Would suggest removing the larger sail from the furler and sliding a
> smaller one up the slot in higher winds.  This is what I will be doing,
> once i purchase a smaller headsail.
>
> Agree with you fully regarding the convenience of a headsail furler.  I
> singlehand a lot, folding a sail alone is a real hassle.  Would be tempted
> to sail less if I had to do so regularly.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Marcelo,
> > My first reaction is option number 3. Bend on the 150 when you know it is
> > going to be light, i.e., summer time. What type of sailing do you do? Any
> > racing? Daysailing mostly?
> > The main would be good to have two reef points. If only one reef make it
> a
> > hefty one, like half way between what would be a first and second reef.
> If
> > you plan to have a loose footed main or a shelf in the foot fashion a
> > decent outhaul that can be employed on any point of sail.
> > BTW I dislike using the headsail furler for reefing. While your Vanguard
> > sail selection might be considered antiquated by todays standards I like
> > that style.
> > Happy sailing,
> > Michael #133
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> > org>
> > To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >
> > Cc: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> > Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:18:05 PM
> > Subject: [Public-List] New sails
> >
> > Greetings from New Orleans.
> > I would like to field different opinions on the subject of sails,
> > specifically furler headsail size. I have started sailing my A30 just in
> > the last month after 1year spent refitting her. I bought her with a 10y
> old
> > mainsail that needs replacement and a 7y old 150% genoa (very good
> > condition but no foam in luff) on a Profurl furler. On my previous boat,
> > Pearson Vanguard, I had hank on headsails. So, I had a 90% jib, 125% and
> > 150% genoas and I would select them accordingly. Now, aside from seeing
> the
> > real convenience of a headsail furler, I find myself questioning what
> size
> > headsail would best fit most conditions encountered here throughout the
> > year. I am also planning on purchasing a new main but that is pretty
> > straightforward. Summer winds here are between 5-12k and then they pick
> up
> > in the fall, winter and spring. As fronts move in, we?ll go out in 15-20k
> > gusting to 25k. Over 25k we?ll usually stay in port. So here are some
> > options I have been toiling with.
> > 1. New main plus my present 150% genoa with added foam pad in the luff
> for
> > better shape when partially furled.
> > 2. New main plus a 125% genoa with foam pad luff ?fall/winter sail? and
> > keep the 150% as is for summer use.
> > 3. New main plus 135-140% genoa with foam pad luff and keep the 150% as
> > spare.
> >
> > I appreciate your input. Hopefully, it won?t be as contentious as anchor
> > selection.
> > Marcelo
> > #441 Alegr?a
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Jonathan M Bresler
> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 08:01:05 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>     <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] New sails
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>
> I agree completely?
>
> You should still change sails as required as you did before? but it will
> be easier and quicker than with hanks.  I?d suggest a 150 for everyday, and
> a smaller sail for heavier air is a good combination.
>
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Marcelo,
> >
> > Suggest not using the furler for reefing.  Even with foam in the luff,
> the
> > sail does not set near as well as it does when fully deployed.  The
> > stresses placed on the sail by the higher wind speeds fall at locations
> > that are not designed to handle them....no tack and head patches
> increasing
> > the thickness of the sail from single ply to two, three or more.
> >
> > Would suggest removing the larger sail from the furler and sliding a
> > smaller one up the slot in higher winds.  This is what I will be doing,
> > once i purchase a smaller headsail.
> >
> > Agree with you fully regarding the convenience of a headsail furler.  I
> > singlehand a lot, folding a sail alone is a real hassle.  Would be
> tempted
> > to sail less if I had to do so regularly.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Marcelo,
> >> My first reaction is option number 3. Bend on the 150 when you know it
> is
> >> going to be light, i.e., summer time. What type of sailing do you do?
> Any
> >> racing? Daysailing mostly?
> >> The main would be good to have two reef points. If only one reef make
> it a
> >> hefty one, like half way between what would be a first and second reef.
> If
> >> you plan to have a loose footed main or a shelf in the foot fashion a
> >> decent outhaul that can be employed on any point of sail.
> >> BTW I dislike using the headsail furler for reefing. While your Vanguard
> >> sail selection might be considered antiquated by todays standards I like
> >> that style.
> >> Happy sailing,
> >> Michael #133
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> >> org>
> >> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>
> >> Cc: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> >> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:18:05 PM
> >> Subject: [Public-List] New sails
> >>
> >> Greetings from New Orleans.
> >> I would like to field different opinions on the subject of sails,
> >> specifically furler headsail size. I have started sailing my A30 just in
> >> the last month after 1year spent refitting her. I bought her with a 10y
> old
> >> mainsail that needs replacement and a 7y old 150% genoa (very good
> >> condition but no foam in luff) on a Profurl furler. On my previous boat,
> >> Pearson Vanguard, I had hank on headsails. So, I had a 90% jib, 125% and
> >> 150% genoas and I would select them accordingly. Now, aside from seeing
> the
> >> real convenience of a headsail furler, I find myself questioning what
> size
> >> headsail would best fit most conditions encountered here throughout the
> >> year. I am also planning on purchasing a new main but that is pretty
> >> straightforward. Summer winds here are between 5-12k and then they pick
> up
> >> in the fall, winter and spring. As fronts move in, we?ll go out in
> 15-20k
> >> gusting to 25k. Over 25k we?ll usually stay in port. So here are some
> >> options I have been toiling with.
> >> 1. New main plus my present 150% genoa with added foam pad in the luff
> for
> >> better shape when partially furled.
> >> 2. New main plus a 125% genoa with foam pad luff ?fall/winter sail? and
> >> keep the 150% as is for summer use.
> >> 3. New main plus 135-140% genoa with foam pad luff and keep the 150% as
> >> spare.
> >>
> >> I appreciate your input. Hopefully, it won?t be as contentious as anchor
> >> selection.
> >> Marcelo
> >> #441 Alegr?a
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 07:18:05 -0500
> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>     <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] New sails
> Message-ID: <92C84D1D-984D-4D3C-895B-0076BCBA7837 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>
> Thanks for all the good input. This of course generates more questions.
> 1. Don mentions sailing with just the 135% out in winds over 25k. My
> understanding of this is that this arrangement places more stress on the
> mast due to pumping of the rig. Is this a fallacy?
> 2. My present main has jacklines at the luff to accommodate reefing and
> also to offset the tack aft. Is this the standard arrangement or are there
> other ways to achieve the same purpose?
> 3. So if I refrain from using the furler to reduce headsail size which I
> understand may damage the sail, what is the best order of sail reduction
> and still maintain balance? Main 1st reef, 2nd reef, headsail only?
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:01 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > I agree completely?
> >
> > You should still change sails as required as you did before? but it will
> be easier and quicker than with hanks.  I?d suggest a 150 for everyday, and
> a smaller sail for heavier air is a good combination.
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 3, 2018, at 5:35 AM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Marcelo,
> >>
> >> Suggest not using the furler for reefing.  Even with foam in the luff,
> the
> >> sail does not set near as well as it does when fully deployed.  The
> >> stresses placed on the sail by the higher wind speeds fall at locations
> >> that are not designed to handle them....no tack and head patches
> increasing
> >> the thickness of the sail from single ply to two, three or more.
> >>
> >> Would suggest removing the larger sail from the furler and sliding a
> >> smaller one up the slot in higher winds.  This is what I will be doing,
> >> once i purchase a smaller headsail.
> >>
> >> Agree with you fully regarding the convenience of a headsail furler.  I
> >> singlehand a lot, folding a sail alone is a real hassle.  Would be
> tempted
> >> to sail less if I had to do so regularly.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 9:43 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Marcelo,
> >>> My first reaction is option number 3. Bend on the 150 when you know it
> is
> >>> going to be light, i.e., summer time. What type of sailing do you do?
> Any
> >>> racing? Daysailing mostly?
> >>> The main would be good to have two reef points. If only one reef make
> it a
> >>> hefty one, like half way between what would be a first and second
> reef. If
> >>> you plan to have a loose footed main or a shelf in the foot fashion a
> >>> decent outhaul that can be employed on any point of sail.
> >>> BTW I dislike using the headsail furler for reefing. While your
> Vanguard
> >>> sail selection might be considered antiquated by todays standards I
> like
> >>> that style.
> >>> Happy sailing,
> >>> Michael #133
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.
> >>> org>
> >>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>>
> >>> Cc: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> >>> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 9:18:05 PM
> >>> Subject: [Public-List] New sails
> >>>
> >>> Greetings from New Orleans.
> >>> I would like to field different opinions on the subject of sails,
> >>> specifically furler headsail size. I have started sailing my A30 just
> in
> >>> the last month after 1year spent refitting her. I bought her with a
> 10y old
> >>> mainsail that needs replacement and a 7y old 150% genoa (very good
> >>> condition but no foam in luff) on a Profurl furler. On my previous
> boat,
> >>> Pearson Vanguard, I had hank on headsails. So, I had a 90% jib, 125%
> and
> >>> 150% genoas and I would select them accordingly. Now, aside from
> seeing the
> >>> real convenience of a headsail furler, I find myself questioning what
> size
> >>> headsail would best fit most conditions encountered here throughout the
> >>> year. I am also planning on purchasing a new main but that is pretty
> >>> straightforward. Summer winds here are between 5-12k and then they
> pick up
> >>> in the fall, winter and spring. As fronts move in, we?ll go out in
> 15-20k
> >>> gusting to 25k. Over 25k we?ll usually stay in port. So here are some
> >>> options I have been toiling with.
> >>> 1. New main plus my present 150% genoa with added foam pad in the luff
> for
> >>> better shape when partially furled.
> >>> 2. New main plus a 125% genoa with foam pad luff ?fall/winter sail? and
> >>> keep the 150% as is for summer use.
> >>> 3. New main plus 135-140% genoa with foam pad luff and keep the 150% as
> >>> spare.
> >>>
> >>> I appreciate your input. Hopefully, it won?t be as contentious as
> anchor
> >>> selection.
> >>> Marcelo
> >>> #441 Alegr?a
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> These businesses support your Association:
> >>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> >>> Please support them.
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jonathan M Bresler
> >> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> >> _______________________________________________
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