[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3665, Issue 4

George Huffman thatboatguy at gmail.com
Fri Jun 29 15:30:44 PDT 2018


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George Huffman

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 6:02 PM, <public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org>
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>    1. Re: Replies (Zachary Smith)
>    2. Re: Replies (George Dinwiddie)
>    3. Re: Replies (Zachary Smith)
>    4. Re: Replies (The Rochets)
>    5. Re: Replies (Zachary Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:26:25 -0600
> From: Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> Message-ID:
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> The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents of
> the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
>
> You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete this
> with every message.
>
> It'll never happen.
>
> A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed on
> the site (or built). In theory anyway.
>
> Sysadmin thoughts?
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:07 PM, The Rochets via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > George is right.
> >
> > The following text/suggestion/request:
> > >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> > doesn?t seem to help but it should. It is clear enough and not very
> > demanding.
> >
> > How about we all give it a try? It makes for much easier reading.
> >
> > Bernard
> > Sunswept - 608
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:01 AM, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:01:45 -0400
> > > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
> > gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>>
> > > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.
> > alberg30.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> > > Message-ID: <1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org
> <mailto:
> > 1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> > >
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > The mailing list (and website) is hosted on Dreamhost servers. I don't
> > > have the access or control to do such things, like I did when I ran my
> > > own server in a collocation facility. I also don't have the time to
> > > maintain my own servers. I don't miss having to drive a half-hour away
> > > at midnight to investigate why the server is down. (It was due to
> > > air-conditioner failure at the collocation facility.)
> > >
> > > Every digest message includes the text:
> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > >>> than "Re: Contents of Public-List digest..."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> > >>> ======================================================
> > > but it doesn't seem to help.
> > >
> > >  - George
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:45:26 -0400
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> Message-ID: <04e1f6e3-7704-02ed-dd5b-cf2331f6aa43 at alberg30.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Zach,
>
> On 6/29/18 4:26 PM, Zachary Smith via Public-List wrote:
> > The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents
> of
> > the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
> >
> > You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete this
> > with every message.
> >
> > It'll never happen.
>
> It happens frequently, but you don't notice when it does. And, yes, it's
> harder to do on a phone than on a computer.
>
> >
> > A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed on
> > the site (or built). In theory anyway.
> >
> > Sysadmin thoughts?
>
> The list manager software is open source. See
> https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ for how you can submit such a
> feature.
>
>   - George
>
> --
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>    When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
>    I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
>    So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
>    So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
>                 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:52:23 -0600
> From: Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> Message-ID:
>         <CAJaQwuNt91AKNUOk068C8pErnjE_gj3LXPvmPpYzgPBhVzbNxQ at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> George,
>
> I think you misread my comment. I'm sayin' it's really hard to get people
> to take the time to manually remove this text.
>
> Thanks for pointing out the list manager link, I'll look at it.
>
> Zach
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:45 PM, George Dinwiddie via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Zach,
> >
> > On 6/29/18 4:26 PM, Zachary Smith via Public-List wrote:
> >
> >> The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents
> of
> >> the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
> >>
> >> You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete this
> >> with every message.
> >>
> >> It'll never happen.
> >>
> >
> > It happens frequently, but you don't notice when it does. And, yes, it's
> > harder to do on a phone than on a computer.
> >
> >
> >> A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed on
> >> the site (or built). In theory anyway.
> >>
> >> Sysadmin thoughts?
> >>
> >
> > The list manager software is open source. See
> > https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ for how you can submit such a
> > feature.
> >
> >  - George
> >
> > --
> >  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >   When I remember bygone days                         George Dinwiddie
> >   I think how evening follows morn;            gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> >   So many I loved were not yet dead,           http://www.Alberg30.org
> >   So many I love were not yet born.                          also see:
> >                'The Middle' by Ogden Nash     http://idiacomputing.com
> >  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > These businesses support your Association:
> > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > Please support them.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Public-List mailing list
> > Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> > http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 14:02:51 -0700
> From: The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca>
> To: Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> Message-ID: <BAD7DE22-367F-404A-A3C4-3310A33285BD at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>
> The problem is that, by not taking the time to manually delete what is no
> longer relevant, you are making sure that people reading the new posts will
> have to take the time to sift through mounds of useless material before
> they get to what is sometimes a one-line reply.
>
> I think that manually deleting some of the contents being replied to is
> better than having that deletion being handled automatically or by the
> sysadmin. The people replying have control over what they wish to see
> included in their reply and what they wish to see deleted.
>
> Bernard
>
> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents
> of the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
> >
> > You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete this
> with every message.
> >
> > It'll never happen.
> >
> > A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed on
> the site (or built). In theory anyway.
> >
> > Sysadmin thoughts?
> >
> > Zach
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:07 PM, The Rochets via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
> wrote:
> > George is right.
> >
> > The following text/suggestion/request:
> > >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> > doesn?t seem to help but it should. It is clear enough and not very
> demanding.
> >
> > How about we all give it a try? It makes for much easier reading.
> >
> > Bernard
> > Sunswept - 608
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:01 AM, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
> <mailto:public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:01:45 -0400
> > > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org> <mailto:gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>>>
> > > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.
> alberg30.org> <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> > > Message-ID: <1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org
> <mailto:1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org> <mailto:
> 1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org <mailto:
> 1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org>>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> > >
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > The mailing list (and website) is hosted on Dreamhost servers. I don't
> > > have the access or control to do such things, like I did when I ran my
> > > own server in a collocation facility. I also don't have the time to
> > > maintain my own servers. I don't miss having to drive a half-hour away
> > > at midnight to investigate why the server is down. (It was due to
> > > air-conditioner failure at the collocation facility.)
> > >
> > > Every digest message includes the text:
> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > >>> than "Re: Contents of Public-List digest..."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> > >>> ======================================================
> > > but it doesn't seem to help.
> > >
> > >  - George
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:10:44 -0600
> From: Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> To: The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca>
> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> Message-ID:
>         <CAJaQwuO0FknLhE9mV08teGp72=_HPP9UTVD=iVZK3dnkrTTSCg at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> By that logic, if I deem the entire thread as relevant context I can just
> leave it in my messages.
>
> So nobody needs to do anything different from what they're doing; you're
> just asking people to censor their messages for your convenience.
>
> Which from a human perspective, ain't gonna happen.
>
> An automated thing to remove duplicated text could conceivably work,
> notwithstanding the obvious potential for automated censorship.
>
> Zach
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:02 PM, The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > The problem is that, by not taking the time to manually delete what is no
> > longer relevant, you are making sure that people reading the new posts
> will
> > have to take the time to sift through mounds of useless material before
> > they get to what is sometimes a one-line reply.
> >
> > I think that manually deleting some of the contents being replied to is
> > better than having that deletion being handled automatically or by the
> > sysadmin. The people replying have control over what they wish to see
> > included in their reply and what they wish to see deleted.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents
> of
> > the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
> >
> > You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete this
> > with every message.
> >
> > It'll never happen.
> >
> > A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed on
> > the site (or built). In theory anyway.
> >
> > Sysadmin thoughts?
> >
> > Zach
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:07 PM, The Rochets via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> George is right.
> >>
> >> The following text/suggestion/request:
> >> >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> >> doesn?t seem to help but it should. It is clear enough and not very
> >> demanding.
> >>
> >> How about we all give it a try? It makes for much easier reading.
> >>
> >> Bernard
> >> Sunswept - 608
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:01 AM, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Message: 7
> >> > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:01:45 -0400
> >> > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
> >> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>>
> >> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.albe
> >> rg30.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> >> > Message-ID: <1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org
> <mailto:
> >> 1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org>>
> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >> >
> >> > Stephen,
> >> >
> >> > The mailing list (and website) is hosted on Dreamhost servers. I don't
> >> > have the access or control to do such things, like I did when I ran my
> >> > own server in a collocation facility. I also don't have the time to
> >> > maintain my own servers. I don't miss having to drive a half-hour away
> >> > at midnight to investigate why the server is down. (It was due to
> >> > air-conditioner failure at the collocation facility.)
> >> >
> >> > Every digest message includes the text:
> >> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> >>> than "Re: Contents of Public-List digest..."
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> >> >>> ======================================================
> >> > but it doesn't seem to help.
> >> >
> >> >  - George
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:02:27 -0700
> From: The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca>
> To: Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> Cc: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> Message-ID: <83912FD4-80AC-4477-AA49-553ADD0E2814 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>
> Zach,
>
> I guess you missed my point, which is why I am leaving the rest of this
> exchange in this post, so you can get back a couple of messages and reread
> what I said.
>
> I was following up on what Stephen said?which was clearly complaining
> about having to sift through mounds of unnecessary text?and I was
> suggesting that we all do what George is suggesting we do, namely "NOT
> include the entire digest in your reply!?
>
> Clearly, what I had in mind is that we should try to be considerate and
> make sure we don?t burden future readers with unwanted text (and the way I
> read it, that?s what George and Stephen have in mind too).
>
> And I did point out that, as a bonus, deleting ourselves unnecessary text
> from our replies gave us control over what was kept or deleted, as opposed
> to that task being accomplished automatically. You had to do some serious
> editing to come to the conclusion that I am "just asking people to censor
> their messages for [my] convenience.?
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > By that logic, if I deem the entire thread as relevant context I can
> just leave it in my messages.
> >
> > So nobody needs to do anything different from what they're doing; you're
> just asking people to censor their messages for your convenience.
> >
> > Which from a human perspective, ain't gonna happen.
> >
> > An automated thing to remove duplicated text could conceivably work,
> notwithstanding the obvious potential for automated censorship.
> >
> > Zach
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:02 PM, The Rochets <rochet at shaw.ca <mailto:
> rochet at shaw.ca>> wrote:
> > The problem is that, by not taking the time to manually delete what is
> no longer relevant, you are making sure that people reading the new posts
> will have to take the time to sift through mounds of useless material
> before they get to what is sometimes a one-line reply.
> >
> > I think that manually deleting some of the contents being replied to is
> better than having that deletion being handled automatically or by the
> sysadmin. The people replying have control over what they wish to see
> included in their reply and what they wish to see deleted.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> >> On Jun 29, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Zachary Smith <zacharysmith.us at gmail.com
> <mailto:zacharysmith.us at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem is, hitting reply on most email clients copies the contents
> of the message being replied to. This chains into the long messages.
> >>
> >> You are asking people to take time to manually highlight and delete
> this with every message.
> >>
> >> It'll never happen.
> >>
> >> A plugin for the list to eliminate duplicated text could be installed
> on the site (or built). In theory anyway.
> >>
> >> Sysadmin thoughts?
> >>
> >> Zach
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 2:07 PM, The Rochets via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
> wrote:
> >> George is right.
> >>
> >> The following text/suggestion/request:
> >> >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> >> doesn?t seem to help but it should. It is clear enough and not very
> demanding.
> >>
> >> How about we all give it a try? It makes for much easier reading.
> >>
> >> Bernard
> >> Sunswept - 608
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 10:01 AM, public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org
> <mailto:public-list-request at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Message: 7
> >> > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:01:45 -0400
> >> > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org> <mailto:gdinwiddie at alberg30.org <mailto:
> gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>>>
> >> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:public-list at lists.
> alberg30.org> <mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org <mailto:
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org>>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Replies
> >> > Message-ID: <1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org
> <mailto:1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org> <mailto:
> 1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org <mailto:
> 1efe19d3-d624-02fe-5df2-143fa9322ddd at alberg30.org>>>
> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >> >
> >> > Stephen,
> >> >
> >> > The mailing list (and website) is hosted on Dreamhost servers. I
> don't
> >> > have the access or control to do such things, like I did when I ran
> my
> >> > own server in a collocation facility. I also don't have the time to
> >> > maintain my own servers. I don't miss having to drive a half-hour
> away
> >> > at midnight to investigate why the server is down. (It was due to
> >> > air-conditioner failure at the collocation facility.)
> >> >
> >> > Every digest message includes the text:
> >> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> >>> than "Re: Contents of Public-List digest..."
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Please do NOT include the entire digest in your reply!
> >> >>> ======================================================
> >> > but it doesn't seem to help.
> >> >
> >> >  - George
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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>
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