[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3645, Issue 1
Sheldon Shikoluk
shikshikoluk at gmail.com
Sun May 27 04:17:27 PDT 2018
Raced my A30 in 20 knt. winds yesterday, had a single reef in main and
rolled genoa up to 100%. couldnt sail well with the chop any suggestions
Rainbow A30
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> 1. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
> 2. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
> 3. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
> 4. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
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> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:33:08 -0400
> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
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> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a fairly
> smooth sea?
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello gang -
> >
> > Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my habit
> > for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >
> > The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable lapse
> on
> > my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We finished
> 3rd
> > but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> > around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
> should
> > say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
> quite
> > justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I said
> > earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year? my
> > track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely recall
> > things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me, and
> > that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have revealed
> > that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have had
> the
> > sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish. If
> > we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should have
> > checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >
> > There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> > committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One time
> > involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps made
> > everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second start
> > sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to catch
> > it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >
> > Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being used
> > for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we were
> > alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds behind us.
> > Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of all
> that
> > was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our way
> up
> > from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how things
> > might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> > spinnaker...
> >
> > Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the second.
> >
> > This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so it
> > was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the sail. We
> > got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> with
> > SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the leeward
> > mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> vermin
> > (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and was
> > overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the fine
> > breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the windward
> > leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up 4th
> in
> > our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in that.
> >
> > Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > #426 SURPRISE
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:31:52 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees. She?ll
> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming her
> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
>
> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots. We are competitive in
> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when the air
> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes. Funny thing is that we come to
> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5 knots?
> we are deadly in very light airs. I think the reason is that once we get
> her moving, she doesn?t stop. Our narrowness and weight play for us so
> long as I don?t wiggle around too much. We accelerate in puffs much more
> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long way
> in the lulls when they just stop.
>
> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re always in
> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27, Irwin 31,
> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF. There is a Grampion 26 who sometimes
> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the Tanzer
> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people used to
> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all their
> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
>
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
> > On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a fairly
> > smooth sea?
> >
> > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello gang -
> >>
> >> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> habit
> >> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >>
> >> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable lapse
> on
> >> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We finished
> 3rd
> >> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> >> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
> should
> >> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
> quite
> >> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> said
> >> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year? my
> >> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> recall
> >> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me, and
> >> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> revealed
> >> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have had
> the
> >> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> If
> >> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should have
> >> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >>
> >> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> >> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> >> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One time
> >> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> made
> >> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second start
> >> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> catch
> >> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> >> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >>
> >> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being used
> >> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we were
> >> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds behind
> us.
> >> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of all
> that
> >> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our way
> up
> >> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> things
> >> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> >> spinnaker...
> >>
> >> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> second.
> >>
> >> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so
> it
> >> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the sail.
> We
> >> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> with
> >> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the leeward
> >> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> vermin
> >> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> >> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and was
> >> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the fine
> >> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the windward
> >> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
> 4th in
> >> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> that.
> >>
> >> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> >>
> >> Gordon Laco
> >> #426 SURPRISE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:42:14 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> And all that reminds me of when I had the honour of being one of HMS BEE?s
> captains? she?s an apes-War of 1812 replica schooner gunboat. She could be
> jammed up to seem to point quite high (for a schooner) but the leeway up
> there was heartbreaking.
>
> When doing her best, laid off a bit and footing along, I would stand by
> the helmsman and look to leeward through the foremast?s shrouds? THAT was
> where we were going, not where the bowsprit was pointing. But that was
> better than what she?d do jammed up as high as she?d point?
>
> Well you have to love gaff rigged schooners for what they are? and there?s
> lots to love... but they don?t sail like sloops can. That said, I think
> BLUENOSE, the famous Grand Banks schooner, unbeaten during her career,
> still holds the speed record for average speed sailing around a triangular
> course? I think I read she averaged 17 knots: beating, running and
> reaching.
>
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
> > On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a fairly
> > smooth sea?
> >
> > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello gang -
> >>
> >> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> habit
> >> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >>
> >> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable lapse
> on
> >> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We finished
> 3rd
> >> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> >> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
> should
> >> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
> quite
> >> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> said
> >> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year? my
> >> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> recall
> >> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me, and
> >> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> revealed
> >> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have had
> the
> >> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> If
> >> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should have
> >> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >>
> >> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> >> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> >> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One time
> >> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> made
> >> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second start
> >> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> catch
> >> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> >> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >>
> >> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being used
> >> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we were
> >> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds behind
> us.
> >> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of all
> that
> >> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our way
> up
> >> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> things
> >> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> >> spinnaker...
> >>
> >> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> second.
> >>
> >> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so
> it
> >> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the sail.
> We
> >> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> with
> >> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the leeward
> >> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> vermin
> >> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> >> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and was
> >> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the fine
> >> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the windward
> >> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
> 4th in
> >> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> that.
> >>
> >> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> >>
> >> Gordon Laco
> >> #426 SURPRISE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 09:06:06 -0400
> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> I'm there with pointing, 100 plus a little. So it's full and by no pinch.
> Thank you
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:32 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees. She?ll
> > point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming her
> > up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> >
> > She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots. We are competitive in
> > that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when the
> air
> > is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes. Funny thing is that we come to
> > life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5 knots?
> > we are deadly in very light airs. I think the reason is that once we get
> > her moving, she doesn?t stop. Our narrowness and weight play for us so
> > long as I don?t wiggle around too much. We accelerate in puffs much more
> > slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long way
> > in the lulls when they just stop.
> >
> > There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re always
> in
> > a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27, Irwin
> 31,
> > Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF. There is a Grampion 26 who sometimes
> > comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> Tanzer
> > 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people used to
> > make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all their
> > larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> fairly
> > > smooth sea?
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello gang -
> > >>
> > >> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > habit
> > >> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>
> > >> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> lapse
> > on
> > >> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
> finished
> > 3rd
> > >> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> > >> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
> > should
> > >> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
> > quite
> > >> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > said
> > >> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> my
> > >> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > recall
> > >> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me,
> and
> > >> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > revealed
> > >> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
> had
> > the
> > >> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> > If
> > >> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
> have
> > >> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> > >>
> > >> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> > >> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One time
> > >> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > made
> > >> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> start
> > >> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > catch
> > >> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> used
> > >> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> were
> > >> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds behind
> > us.
> > >> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of all
> > that
> > >> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
> way
> > up
> > >> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > things
> > >> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> > >> spinnaker...
> > >>
> > >> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > second.
> > >>
> > >> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so
> > it
> > >> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the sail.
> > We
> > >> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> > with
> > >> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> leeward
> > >> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > vermin
> > >> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > >> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> was
> > >> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> fine
> > >> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> windward
> > >> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
> > 4th in
> > >> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > that.
> > >>
> > >> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>
> > >> Gordon Laco
> > >> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> These businesses support your Association:
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