[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3645, Issue 1

Zachary Smith zacharysmith.us at gmail.com
Sun May 27 05:44:24 PDT 2018


Scuttle the furler.

Zach

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:17 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Raced my A30 in 20 knt. winds yesterday, had a single reef in main and
> rolled genoa up to 100%. couldnt sail well with the chop any suggestions
> Rainbow A30
>
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> >    1. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
> >    2. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
> >    3. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
> >    4. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:33:08 -0400
> > From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a fairly
> > smooth sea?
> >
> > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello gang -
> > >
> > > Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> habit
> > > for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >
> > > The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable lapse
> > on
> > > my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We finished
> > 3rd
> > > but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> > > around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > should
> > > say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > quite
> > > justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> said
> > > earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year? my
> > > track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> recall
> > > things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> and
> > > that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> revealed
> > > that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have had
> > the
> > > sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> If
> > > we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should have
> > > checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >
> > > There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > > committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > > windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One time
> > > involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> made
> > > everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> start
> > > sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> catch
> > > it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > > (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >
> > > Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being used
> > > for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we were
> > > alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds behind
> us.
> > > Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of all
> > that
> > > was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our way
> > up
> > > from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> things
> > > might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> > > spinnaker...
> > >
> > > Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> second.
> > >
> > > This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so
> it
> > > was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the sail.
> We
> > > got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> > with
> > > SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> leeward
> > > mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > vermin
> > > (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > > Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> was
> > > overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the fine
> > > breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> windward
> > > leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> 4th
> > in
> > > our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> that.
> > >
> > > Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >
> > > Gordon Laco
> > > #426 SURPRISE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:31:52 -0400
> > From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> > Message-ID: <E1D2CE4B-3185-4520-A476-CDAA1D58D7F2 at csolve.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> >
> > With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.  She?ll
> > point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming her
> > up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> >
> > She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots.   We are competitive in
> > that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when the
> air
> > is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes.  Funny thing is that we come to
> > life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5 knots?
> > we are deadly in very light airs.  I think the reason is that once we get
> > her moving, she doesn?t stop.  Our narrowness and weight play for us so
> > long as I don?t wiggle around too much.  We accelerate in puffs much more
> > slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long way
> > in the lulls when they just stop.
> >
> > There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re always
> in
> > a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27, Irwin
> 31,
> > Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF.  There is a Grampion 26 who sometimes
> > comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> Tanzer
> > 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people used to
> > make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all their
> > larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> fairly
> > > smooth sea?
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello gang -
> > >>
> > >> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > habit
> > >> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>
> > >> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> lapse
> > on
> > >> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> finished
> > 3rd
> > >> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> > >> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > should
> > >> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > quite
> > >> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > said
> > >> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> my
> > >> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > recall
> > >> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> and
> > >> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > revealed
> > >> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> had
> > the
> > >> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> > If
> > >> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> have
> > >> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >>
> > >> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > >> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One time
> > >> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > made
> > >> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> start
> > >> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > catch
> > >> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> used
> > >> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> were
> > >> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds behind
> > us.
> > >> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of all
> > that
> > >> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> way
> > up
> > >> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > things
> > >> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> > >> spinnaker...
> > >>
> > >> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > second.
> > >>
> > >> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so
> > it
> > >> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the sail.
> > We
> > >> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> > with
> > >> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> leeward
> > >> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > vermin
> > >> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > >> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> was
> > >> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> fine
> > >> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> windward
> > >> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> > 4th in
> > >> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > that.
> > >>
> > >> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>
> > >> Gordon Laco
> > >> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:42:14 -0400
> > From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> > Message-ID: <E22B198E-A36B-4C68-921C-FB616BF6642D at csolve.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> >
> > And all that reminds me of when I had the honour of being one of HMS
> BEE?s
> > captains? she?s an apes-War of 1812 replica schooner gunboat.  She could
> be
> > jammed up to seem to point quite high (for a schooner) but the leeway up
> > there was heartbreaking.
> >
> > When doing her best, laid off a bit and footing along, I would stand by
> > the helmsman and look to leeward through the foremast?s shrouds? THAT was
> > where we were going, not where the bowsprit was pointing.  But that was
> > better than what she?d do jammed up as high as she?d point?
> >
> > Well you have to love gaff rigged schooners for what they are? and
> there?s
> > lots to love... but they don?t sail like sloops can.   That said, I think
> > BLUENOSE, the famous Grand Banks schooner, unbeaten during her career,
> > still holds the speed record for average speed sailing around a
> triangular
> > course? I think I read she averaged 17 knots: beating, running and
> > reaching.
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > #426 Surprise
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> fairly
> > > smooth sea?
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello gang -
> > >>
> > >> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > habit
> > >> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > >>
> > >> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> lapse
> > on
> > >> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> finished
> > 3rd
> > >> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the way
> > >> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > should
> > >> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > quite
> > >> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > said
> > >> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> my
> > >> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > recall
> > >> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> and
> > >> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > revealed
> > >> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> had
> > the
> > >> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place finish.
> > If
> > >> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> have
> > >> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > >>
> > >> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > >> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > >> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One time
> > >> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > made
> > >> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> start
> > >> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > catch
> > >> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > >> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> used
> > >> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> were
> > >> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds behind
> > us.
> > >> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of all
> > that
> > >> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> way
> > up
> > >> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > things
> > >> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had the
> > >> spinnaker...
> > >>
> > >> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > second.
> > >>
> > >> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel so
> > it
> > >> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the sail.
> > We
> > >> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep up
> > with
> > >> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> leeward
> > >> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > vermin
> > >> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > >> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> was
> > >> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> fine
> > >> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> windward
> > >> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> > 4th in
> > >> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > that.
> > >>
> > >> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > >>
> > >> Gordon Laco
> > >> #426 SURPRISE
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 09:06:06 -0400
> > From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> >
> >  I'm there with pointing, 100 plus a little. So it's full and by no
> pinch.
> > Thank you
> >
> > On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:32 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.  She?ll
> > > point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming
> her
> > > up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> > >
> > > She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots.   We are competitive in
> > > that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when the
> > air
> > > is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes.  Funny thing is that we come
> to
> > > life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
> knots?
> > > we are deadly in very light airs.  I think the reason is that once we
> get
> > > her moving, she doesn?t stop.  Our narrowness and weight play for us so
> > > long as I don?t wiggle around too much.  We accelerate in puffs much
> more
> > > slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long
> way
> > > in the lulls when they just stop.
> > >
> > > There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re always
> > in
> > > a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27, Irwin
> > 31,
> > > Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF.  There is a Grampion 26 who
> sometimes
> > > comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> > Tanzer
> > > 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people used
> to
> > > make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
> their
> > > larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> > >
> > > Gordon Laco
> > > #426 Surprise
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> > fairly
> > > > smooth sea?
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello gang -
> > > >>
> > > >> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> > > habit
> > > >> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> > > >>
> > > >> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> > lapse
> > > on
> > > >> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard.   We
> > finished
> > > 3rd
> > > >> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> way
> > > >> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget.   Well I
> > > should
> > > >> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three.  I feel
> > > quite
> > > >> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> > > said
> > > >> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> > my
> > > >> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> > > recall
> > > >> things like that correctly.  Clearly they should have challenged me,
> > and
> > > >> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> > > revealed
> > > >> that the sail was not in the boat.   If they?d done that, we?d have
> > had
> > > the
> > > >> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> finish.
> > > If
> > > >> we?d had the spinnaker on board.  Their position was that I should
> > have
> > > >> checked myself.  Weak, I say.
> > > >>
> > > >> There was another problem.  This one I place squarely on the race
> > > >> committee.  Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> > > >> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times.  One
> time
> > > >> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> > > made
> > > >> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> > start
> > > >> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> > > catch
> > > >> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> > > >> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> > used
> > > >> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> > were
> > > >> alone? the rest of our fleet was about  minute and ten seconds
> behind
> > > us.
> > > >> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early.  The upshot of
> all
> > > that
> > > >> was having to wheel around and start after everyone.  We clawed our
> > way
> > > up
> > > >> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> > > things
> > > >> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> the
> > > >> spinnaker...
> > > >>
> > > >> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> > > second.
> > > >>
> > > >> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> so
> > > it
> > > >> was only Clint and I to run the boat.  I decided not to fly the
> sail.
> > > We
> > > >> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> up
> > > with
> > > >> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> > leeward
> > > >> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> > > vermin
> > > >> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> > > >> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> > was
> > > >> overtaking.  By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> > fine
> > > >> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> > windward
> > > >> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again.   We ended up
> > > 4th in
> > > >> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> > > that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> > > >>
> > > >> Gordon Laco
> > > >> #426 SURPRISE
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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