[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3646, Issue 2
Zachary Smith
zacharysmith.us at gmail.com
Mon May 28 10:07:08 PDT 2018
Two stories about why I hate furlers so much (pics attached):
Story 1: Cook Strait
At around 0800 we sail out of Nelson (NZ). Beautiful skies. By around
midnight we enter the Cook Strait.
The wind picks up to Force 7 and we reef everything down. By around 1am we
are passing two rocks known as "the brothers". The conditions have picked
up to Force 10. 60kt gusts, very steep waves to about 7m, confused seas,
patches of rain.
Two killer whales make an appearance near one of the brothers rocks.
"Perched" on a reef, they are calm in a way that strikes me surreal.
Just past the brothers headed SSW, the loudest bang I'd ever heard shook
the boat. I don't mean hyperbole; the boat shook and trembled with the blow.
The was followed by what sounded like a gun battle. The furler retrieval
line had failed, and the full 30m tall genoa had instantly unfurled. When
that sail filled, the 20mm dyneema jib sheet had snapped.
The genoa was flogging itself to death in the storm, with about 5m of sheet
whipping the port side of the hull.
The Captain had us bear off, and he proceeded to do what I to this day do
not understand: he went calmly up to the foredeck, grabbed the retrieval
line, sat down, and pulled the sail in.
Adrenaline? I don't know, but I can't fathom having the strength. Let alone
the agility to navigate the foredeck in those conditions.
We turned the boat around and sailed through the night back to Nelson and
were back in port by around 11am.
Story 2: NYC
I'm solo in my Nordica 20 in the Lower Bay just off Breezy Point. I have
the genoa "reefed" in anticipation of building conditions (hence the name
"Breezy Point").
Sure enough, conditions start to build. As the wind picks up, the retrieval
line windings start to "compress" and the sail starts easing out. The more
it eases, the tighter the drum winds itself.
The boat is new to me, and the PO had a retrieval line that stretches. I
hadn't noticed! Within seconds the sail was flying at 100%. I winch down on
the retrieval line, but it's jammed.
The surf is building along with the wind. I'm starting to get beat on, and
I'm in danger of losing seaway and grounding.
I move up to the foredeck and try to get the sail in by hand. No dice. On
the way back to the cockpit, I get careless and lose my grip. For a moment,
I am free falling in space.
I think to myself, "damn, it's gonna be a cold swim!" when I feel something
sharp catch me between the shoulder blades and push me back on the deck.
Like the hand of God himself. I hit a shroud, and just right. No swim.
Then a BANG! and I look forward to the thing that terrfies all sailors: a
failed forestay.
Well I fought and struggled and managed to get the boat back to Liberty
Landing some hours later. The rig stayed up, mostly because I was able to
sail downwind headed back under main.
The flogging genoa had caused the drum to separate from the sleeve and it
had chaffed the forestay to failure.
Hank-ons for life.
Zach
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Zack,
>
> You are absolutely correct. Furling is furling… not reefing...
>
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Zachary Smith via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Furlers have terrible sailshape at anything but 100% out. No way around
> it.
> >
> > To add to the matter, flying a furler "reefed" is possible but the Furler
> > and sail aren't designed for that.
> >
> > The marketing crap might say it is, but it isn't.
> >
> > Zach
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 5:52 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> message 1
> >> Thanks for the reply, my genoa is a 170 and my main was reefed and flat.
> >> Guess I need to invest in a small headsail (100%) to use on windy days??
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 7:41 AM, <public-list-request at lists.
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> >>> Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 07:41:31 -0400
> >>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> >>> Good morning -
> >>>
> >>> I?d suggest that you were underpowered? and a rolled headsail results
> in
> >> a
> >>> very poorly shaped headsail delivering more heeling force than forward
> >>> drive. It is not possible to sail well with a partially rolled
> >>> headsail.
> >>>
> >>> What size is your genoa when normally set? If it is a 150 or less,
> you?d
> >>> have been better off with it set normally, but with the sheet leads
> >> shifted
> >>> aft slightly to induce twist, and the halyard housed hard to pull draft
> >>> forward. The trouble with partially rolling the sail is that you end
> up
> >>> with a baggy sail with the draft in the wrong place? sometimes causing
> >> more
> >>> trouble than a larger flatter sail.
> >>>
> >>> Was your reefed main flat? A poorly reefed main can actually cause more
> >>> heeling forces than an unreeled one. In addition, if the main isn?t
> >> reefed
> >>> so it is flatter than a full main, you?ll end up with a lot of weather
> >>> helm? the boat will have to drag her rudder through the water and that
> >> saps
> >>> speed.
> >>>
> >>> Forgive me if your main was well reefed? but I have seen many poorly
> >>> reefed mains? a properly reefed sail doesn?t need it?s reef points tied
> >> at
> >>> all? all the load is on the reef clew which draws the new foot of the
> >> sail
> >>> hard up against the boom. If there is any load on the reef points at
> >> all,
> >>> then the clew reef line is too slack, resulting in a baggy sail. The
> >> only
> >>> thing the reef points should do is bunch up the bunt or loose fabric of
> >> the
> >>> reefed sail so you can see under it? nothing else.
> >>>
> >>> Taken all together, the upshot of this is that if a boat has shortened
> >>> sail too much for the conditions, and the means of shortening sail
> >> prevents
> >>> what sail is still set from driving her along, she?ll feel unhappy? if
> >>> there?s a chop, she?ll lack power to drive through it. If she?s
> beating,
> >>> she won?t point and will feel soggy? if she?s racing, the fleet will
> draw
> >>> away? if she?s cruising, well she won?t get where she wants to go with
> >> much
> >>> grace and pleasure?
> >>>
> >>> Gordon Laco
> >>> #426 Surprise
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 27, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Raced my A30 in 20 knt. winds yesterday, had a single reef in main and
> >>>> rolled genoa up to 100%. couldnt sail well with the chop any
> >> suggestions
> >>>> Rainbow A30
> >>>>
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> >>>>> 1. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
> >>>>> 2. Re: Second race of the year... (Gordon Laco)
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> >>>>> 4. Re: Second race of the year... (Joseph Balderson)
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> Message: 1
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 06:33:08 -0400
> >>>>> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
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> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
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> >>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> >>> fairly
> >>>>> smooth sea?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello gang -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> >>> habit
> >>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> >> lapse
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
> >> finished
> >>>>> 3rd
> >>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> >> way
> >>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well I
> >>>>> should
> >>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I feel
> >>>>> quite
> >>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when I
> >>> said
> >>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last year?
> >> my
> >>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> >>> recall
> >>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged me,
> >>> and
> >>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> >>> revealed
> >>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
> >> had
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> finish.
> >>> If
> >>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
> >> have
> >>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> >>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> >>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
> >> time
> >>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato beeps
> >>> made
> >>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> >>> start
> >>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> >>> catch
> >>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> >>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> >> used
> >>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> >> were
> >>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
> behind
> >>> us.
> >>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
> >> all
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
> >> way
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> >>> things
> >>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> the
> >>>>>> spinnaker...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> >>> second.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> >> so
> >>> it
> >>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
> sail.
> >>> We
> >>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> >> up
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> >>> leeward
> >>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> >>>>> vermin
> >>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the custom
> >>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us and
> >>> was
> >>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> >> fine
> >>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> >>> windward
> >>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended up
> >>> 4th
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> >>> that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 2
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:31:52 -0400
> >>>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> >>>>> Message-ID: <E1D2CE4B-3185-4520-A476-CDAA1D58D7F2 at csolve.net>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.
> >> She?ll
> >>>>> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth jamming
> >>> her
> >>>>> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots. We are competitive
> >> in
> >>>>> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when
> the
> >>> air
> >>>>> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes. Funny thing is that we
> come
> >>> to
> >>>>> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
> >> knots?
> >>>>> we are deadly in very light airs. I think the reason is that once we
> >>> get
> >>>>> her moving, she doesn?t stop. Our narrowness and weight play for us
> >> so
> >>>>> long as I don?t wiggle around too much. We accelerate in puffs much
> >>> more
> >>>>> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a long
> >>> way
> >>>>> in the lulls when they just stop.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re
> >> always
> >>> in
> >>>>> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27,
> Irwin
> >>> 31,
> >>>>> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF. There is a Grampion 26 who
> >>> sometimes
> >>>>> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> >>> Tanzer
> >>>>> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people
> used
> >>> to
> >>>>> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
> >> their
> >>>>> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>> #426 Surprise
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> >>> fairly
> >>>>>> smooth sea?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello gang -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> >>>>> habit
> >>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> >>> lapse
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
> >>> finished
> >>>>> 3rd
> >>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> >> way
> >>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well
> I
> >>>>> should
> >>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I
> feel
> >>>>> quite
> >>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when
> I
> >>>>> said
> >>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last
> year?
> >>> my
> >>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> >>>>> recall
> >>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged
> me,
> >>> and
> >>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> >>>>> revealed
> >>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
> >>> had
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> >> finish.
> >>>>> If
> >>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
> >>> have
> >>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> >>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> >>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
> >> time
> >>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato
> beeps
> >>>>> made
> >>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> >>> start
> >>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> >>>>> catch
> >>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> >>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> >>> used
> >>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> >>> were
> >>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
> >> behind
> >>>>> us.
> >>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
> >> all
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
> >>> way
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> >>>>> things
> >>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> >> the
> >>>>>>> spinnaker...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> >>>>> second.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> >> so
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
> >> sail.
> >>>>> We
> >>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> >> up
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> >>> leeward
> >>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> >>>>> vermin
> >>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the
> custom
> >>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us
> and
> >>> was
> >>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> >>> fine
> >>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> >>> windward
> >>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended
> up
> >>>>> 4th in
> >>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> >>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Message: 3
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 08:42:14 -0400
> >>>>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> >>>>> Message-ID: <E22B198E-A36B-4C68-921C-FB616BF6642D at csolve.net>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And all that reminds me of when I had the honour of being one of HMS
> >>> BEE?s
> >>>>> captains? she?s an apes-War of 1812 replica schooner gunboat. She
> >>> could be
> >>>>> jammed up to seem to point quite high (for a schooner) but the leeway
> >> up
> >>>>> there was heartbreaking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When doing her best, laid off a bit and footing along, I would stand
> >> by
> >>>>> the helmsman and look to leeward through the foremast?s shrouds? THAT
> >>> was
> >>>>> where we were going, not where the bowsprit was pointing. But that
> >> was
> >>>>> better than what she?d do jammed up as high as she?d point?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well you have to love gaff rigged schooners for what they are? and
> >>> there?s
> >>>>> lots to love... but they don?t sail like sloops can. That said, I
> >>> think
> >>>>> BLUENOSE, the famous Grand Banks schooner, unbeaten during her
> career,
> >>>>> still holds the speed record for average speed sailing around a
> >>> triangular
> >>>>> course? I think I read she averaged 17 knots: beating, running and
> >>>>> reaching.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>> #426 Surprise
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> >>> fairly
> >>>>>> smooth sea?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello gang -
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been my
> >>>>> habit
> >>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> >>> lapse
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
> >>> finished
> >>>>> 3rd
> >>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> >> way
> >>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well
> I
> >>>>> should
> >>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I
> feel
> >>>>> quite
> >>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when
> I
> >>>>> said
> >>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last
> year?
> >>> my
> >>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> >>>>> recall
> >>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged
> me,
> >>> and
> >>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> >>>>> revealed
> >>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d have
> >>> had
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> >> finish.
> >>>>> If
> >>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
> >>> have
> >>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> >>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a drifting
> >>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
> >> time
> >>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato
> beeps
> >>>>> made
> >>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> >>> start
> >>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward to
> >>>>> catch
> >>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> >>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> >>> used
> >>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> >>> were
> >>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
> >> behind
> >>>>> us.
> >>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
> >> all
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed our
> >>> way
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> >>>>> things
> >>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> >> the
> >>>>>>> spinnaker...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> >>>>> second.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to cancel
> >> so
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
> >> sail.
> >>>>> We
> >>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could keep
> >> up
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> >>> leeward
> >>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass of
> >>>>> vermin
> >>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the
> custom
> >>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us
> and
> >>> was
> >>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> >>> fine
> >>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> >>> windward
> >>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended
> up
> >>>>> 4th in
> >>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace in
> >>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing season!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>> Message: 4
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 09:06:06 -0400
> >>>>> From: Joseph Balderson <joebinc at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Second race of the year...
> >>>>> Message-ID:
> >>>>> <CALNKNAjp2=QFXkRVaZa-v885Csekb5M0P-Ch-jErd+
> >>>>> 3qB7qvbQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm there with pointing, 100 plus a little. So it's full and by no
> >>> pinch.
> >>>>> Thank you
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:32 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With leeway, I don?t reckon she can do better than 100 degrees.
> >> She?ll
> >>>>>> point a little higher, but unless it?s blowing it?s not worth
> jamming
> >>> her
> >>>>>> up that high? she just slows down and leeway increases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> She comes to life upwind in wind over 12 knots. We are competitive
> >> in
> >>>>>> that wind speed and above, but performance drops dramatically when
> >> the
> >>>>> air
> >>>>>> is below 8-10 knots compared to our foes. Funny thing is that we
> >> come
> >>> to
> >>>>>> life again in drifting conditions when we?re gliding along at 0.5
> >>> knots?
> >>>>>> we are deadly in very light airs. I think the reason is that once
> we
> >>> get
> >>>>>> her moving, she doesn?t stop. Our narrowness and weight play for us
> >> so
> >>>>>> long as I don?t wiggle around too much. We accelerate in puffs much
> >>> more
> >>>>>> slowly than the lighter boats, but once we get going, we glide a
> long
> >>> way
> >>>>>> in the lulls when they just stop.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are no Alberg 30?s who care to race where we sail so we?re
> >> always
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> a mixed fleet racing against Pearson 28, Aloha 27, CS 27 C&C 27,
> >> Irwin
> >>>>> 31,
> >>>>>> Tanzer 7.5, Niagara 26 etc on PHRF. There is a Grampion 26 who
> >>> sometimes
> >>>>>> comes out? ?Grumps? are ugly as sin, but are good sailors, as is the
> >>>>> Tanzer
> >>>>>> 22? both those boats somewhat anomalies in their tribes so people
> >> used
> >>> to
> >>>>>> make jokes that their designers were just lucky with them when all
> >>> their
> >>>>>> larger and smaller boats in their lines were such poor performers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>>> #426 Surprise
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 26, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Joseph Balderson via Public-List <
> >>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How many degrees will Suprise tack through in 8kts of breeze and a
> >>>>> fairly
> >>>>>>> smooth sea?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2018, 11:27 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> >>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello gang -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well I missed writing up the first race of the year, as has been
> my
> >>>>>> habit
> >>>>>>>> for a while now, so here?s the Second Race of the Year.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The first race is perhaps better laid aside, due to a regrettable
> >>>>> lapse
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> my part involving forgetting to put the spinnaker aboard. We
> >>>>> finished
> >>>>>> 3rd
> >>>>>>>> but the experience was marred by the three of us bickering all the
> >>> way
> >>>>>>>> around the course trying to place blame for the big forget. Well
> >> I
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>> say it was the crew against me, a two way bicker, not three. I
> >> feel
> >>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>>> justified in suggesting that they should not have believed me when
> >> I
> >>>>>> said
> >>>>>>>> earlier in the week that the ?chute was still aboard from last
> >> year?
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>>>> track record should have alerted to them to the fact that I rarely
> >>>>>> recall
> >>>>>>>> things like that correctly. Clearly they should have challenged
> >> me,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> that challenge would have driven me to check and THAT would have
> >>>>>> revealed
> >>>>>>>> that the sail was not in the boat. If they?d done that, we?d
> have
> >>>>> had
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> sail and surely would have fought our way up to a first place
> >> finish.
> >>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>> we?d had the spinnaker on board. Their position was that I should
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> checked myself. Weak, I say.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There was another problem. This one I place squarely on the race
> >>>>>>>> committee. Due to a bit of confusion on their part, and a
> drifting
> >>>>>>>> windward mark, they initiated the start sequence four times. One
> >>> time
> >>>>>>>> involved the guy on the horn trying it out? his timid staccato
> >> beeps
> >>>>>> made
> >>>>>>>> everyone start their watches? Then the mark drifted and the second
> >>>>> start
> >>>>>>>> sequence was cancelled while the crash boat sped out to windward
> to
> >>>>>> catch
> >>>>>>>> it and anchor it properly? I forget what happened with the third
> >>>>>>>> (accidental beep again I think) then there was the real start.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anyway, we were charging in, glorying in our brand new genoa being
> >>>>> used
> >>>>>>>> for the first time, when I realized with ten seconds to go that we
> >>>>> were
> >>>>>>>> alone? the rest of our fleet was about minute and ten seconds
> >> behind
> >>>>>> us.
> >>>>>>>> Yup? we were making a perfect start a minute early. The upshot of
> >>> all
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> was having to wheel around and start after everyone. We clawed
> our
> >>>>> way
> >>>>>> up
> >>>>>>>> from last place to third, but as usual, we were left wondering how
> >>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>> might have turned out if we?d only started better?and if we?d had
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> spinnaker...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well I guess I did tell about the first race after all? on to the
> >>>>>> second.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This time we DID have the spinnaker aboard, but Steve had to
> cancel
> >>> so
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> was only Clint and I to run the boat. I decided not to fly the
> >> sail.
> >>>>>> We
> >>>>>>>> got a clean start, marvelled at how with the new sail we could
> keep
> >>> up
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> SUNDANCE ,our mortal enemy, upwind? but it all fell apart at the
> >>>>> leeward
> >>>>>>>> mark after the run when we became entangled in a squabbling mass
> of
> >>>>>> vermin
> >>>>>>>> (Shark class yachts) in addition to the majestic TO LIFE, the
> >> custom
> >>>>>>>> Killing 50 which had started with A Fleet five minutes behind us
> >> and
> >>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> overtaking. By the time we got clear of all the dead air (and the
> >>>>> fine
> >>>>>>>> breeze had subsided to a sigh of course) SUNDANCE as 1/3 of the
> >>>>> windward
> >>>>>>>> leg ahead of us and we were never close to them again. We ended
> >> up
> >>>>>> 4th in
> >>>>>>>> our fleet? not great but ahead of MAID MARION, so we took solace
> in
> >>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh well, there?s always next week? bring on the 2018 racing
> season!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gordon Laco
> >>>>>>>> #426 SURPRISE
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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