[Public-List] ...We're not done yet.

Mon Nov 12 09:12:36 PST 2018

Maybe require a different boat to go with his overly aggressive sailing
style?

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On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 12:05 PM americo silva via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> sounds like if your club wants to attract new members to race you will have
> to get rid of one old member
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:17 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello John - that’s pretty much what my wife commented… what she said was
> > something like ‘what’s he trying to win?  What’s winning if the way you
> do
> > it earns disrespect and scorn?’
> >
> > I think part of the issue is that he doesn’t understand that his actions
> > are what gets him into trouble.  Out on the water, on the dock and ashore
> > at the various hearings he shouts ‘you all hate me because I’m German’.
> >
> > At the most recent hearing our club’s vice commodore commented ‘I’m
> German
> > too; I get along fine.’    That had no effect on him.
> >
> > Also at the most recent hearing, during a calm moment he appealed to the
> > committee not to take racing away from him because he loves it.  Our
> > commodore said quietly ‘would you like a list of the people YOU have
> taken
> > racing from? Good sailors who will not race any longer because you are on
> > the course?’    That led to a discussion of the dangerously corrosive
> > nature of allow rule-breakers to compete… there are several new sailors
> in
> > the club who would race, but are afraid to.
> >
> > All because of one guy.
> >
> > Gordon Laco
> > www.gordonlaco.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 12, 2018, at 10:09 AM, John Birch via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Gord,
> > >
> > > Sounds like you've got a real pip there.
> > >
> > > As my treasurer used to say at Board meetings when we had a chronically
> > problematic member: 'every so often in business you may need to fire a
> few
> > customers.' Sounds like this guy may be a candidate.
> > >
> > > Aggressive Sea Lawyers are exactly why I finally gave up racing and
> race
> > committee. Can't be bothered with the drama race after race. It's just a
> > sailboat race, and a beer can one at that, not like we are curing cancer
> or
> > anything.
> > >
> > > Enjoy the offseason.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gordon Laco via Public-List
> > > Sent: November 12, 2018 9:38 AM
> > > To: public Alberg 30 List -- open to all
> > > Cc: Gordon Laco
> > > Subject: [Public-List] ...We're not done yet.
> > >
> > > I promised George Dinwiddie that I’d provide follow up on events
> > involving our club’s overly aggressive member, the fellow we were in the
> > collision with in September.
> > >
> > > In brief recap, in his most recent incident he tried to jam himself
> > between two starboard tack boats sailing nose to tail when he was on port
> > tack, colliding with us in SURPRISE in the process.  We were the second
> > starboard tack boat.   The club decided this most recent in a long series
> > of incidents was provocation enough to issue a Rule 69 charge, and in due
> > course there was a hearing.  The hearing found him guilty and issued a 12
> > month suspension from racing on Wednesday nights, but allowed him to race
> > in our weekend distance races.  The weekend races have less traffic and
> > would offer him an opportunity to demonstrate an attitude adjustment.
> > There was a warning that the next transgression might lead to a life-time
> > ban.
> > >
> > > Here’s what’s happened since then.
> > >
> > > Our member has combed the rule book and the proceedings of the hearing,
> > and determined that he was notified incorrectly of the hearing, and that
> he
> > was subsequently notified incorrectly of the decision of the hearing
> > board.   Based on that he is appealing his ‘conviction’ to higher
> yachting
> > authorities.    If his hearing is deemed valid, and is heard by the
> higher
> > yachting authority, two things can happen.
> > >
> > > - the club’s proceedings may be deemed valid, and the penalty upheld
> > > - the club’s proceedings may be deemed invalid due to the errors or
> > irregularities our member claims, in which case the penalty is
> overturned.
> > >
> > > In the former case, we proceed and he has a chance to redeem himself.
> > In the later case, the club needs to decide if it’s going to start again
> by
> > laying the charge, then holding the hearing again, this time taking steps
> > to avoid the claimed irregularities.  There will be a new deliberation
> and
> > presumably new results.
> > >
> > > Or, the club can decide they are fed up with the time and energy being
> > devoted to this members problems,  and not bother to lay further charges
> > under the rules, and just rescind the membership of this person under the
> > clubs own rules and bylaws.  Basically ‘if you can’t play nicely, go and
> > play somewhere else’.    The difference between a club-based suspension
> and
> > a Sail Canada based ban is that the later is international.   Apparently
> > any suspension under Rule 69 that is longer than four weeks needs to be
> > published internationally and is applied internationally.
> > >
> > > If this person beats the Rule 69 penalty, and the club decides it’s fed
> > up with him and revokes his membership, that is in effect the end of
> racing
> > for him anyway because there are no other clubs running races within 30
> > miles of us here on Georgian Bay.
> > >
> > > Any way one looks at it, I don’t think anything good will come of this
> > for the person in question.  I’ve been asked if I would be willing to
> > testify again should the club find itself in the position of re-doing the
> > Rule 69 hearing.  I said I would.
> > >
> > > How tiresome.
> > >
> > > Gord
> > > #426 Surprise
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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