[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3758, Issue 1
Sheldon Shikoluk
shikshikoluk at gmail.com
Mon Nov 12 11:21:16 PST 2018
what about bedding compund like Dolfinite? It skins over and can take
varnish, is easy to remove if you want to take off. Also nobody likes
mahogany? You can get sappelle African mahog. at a fair price, better than
oak.
sheldon
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> 1. Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to fiberglass?
> (Randy Katz)
> 2. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass? (Jonathan Bresler)
> 3. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass? (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
> 4. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass? (americo silva)
> 5. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass? (Gordon Laco)
> 6. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass? (jreadams6)
> 7. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass? (Gordon Laco)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:26:01 -0800
> From: Randy Katz <randy.katz50 at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
> fiberglass?
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> Greetings, All,
>
> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one at
> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the deck. I
> wondered if this was the original installation.
>
> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean and
> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
>
> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing and
> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about butyl,
> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better choice,
> but which brand/what type?
>
> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
> comments about that idea?
>
> Many thanks, best Regards,
>
> Randy Katz
> #259 Simple Gifts
> Seattle/Bellingham
> --
>
> Randall Katz
> 910 - 32nd Ave.
> Seattle, WA 98122
> 206-850-7350
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:51:14 -0500
> From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
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> Cc: Randy Katz <randy.katz50 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
> joining to fiberglass?
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> Randy,
>
> Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
> With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
>
> Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
> So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
> Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
> "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
> side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
> his notes on this.
>
> You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
> than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jonathan
> Rather than Starboard, you might want to
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Greetings, All,
> >
> > I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
> > difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
> at
> > each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the deck.
> I
> > wondered if this was the original installation.
> >
> > Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean and
> > oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
> >
> > I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
> and
> > their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about butyl,
> > but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better choice,
> > but which brand/what type?
> >
> > I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
> > comments about that idea?
> >
> > Many thanks, best Regards,
> >
> > Randy Katz
> > #259 Simple Gifts
> > Seattle/Bellingham
> > --
> >
> > Randall Katz
> > 910 - 32nd Ave.
> > Seattle, WA 98122
> > 206-850-7350
> > ??? iPad ??
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:20:42 -0600
> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
> joining to fiberglass?
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> Good evening,
> On mine, when I took them off last year to varnish, I did away with the
> caulk by using a self stick D-shaped rubber weatherstripping that I bought
> at Home Depot. (Frost King D-profile). The weatherstripping is attached to
> the edge of fiberglass where the coaming rests. So far, it has worked great
> with no leaks.
> Marcelo
> Alegr?a #441
>
> > On Nov 11, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Randy,
> >
> > Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
> > With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
> >
> > Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
> > So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
> > Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
> > "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
> > side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
> > his notes on this.
> >
> > You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
> > than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Jonathan
> > Rather than Starboard, you might want to
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings, All,
> >>
> >> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
> >> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
> at
> >> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the
> deck. I
> >> wondered if this was the original installation.
> >>
> >> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean and
> >> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
> >>
> >> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
> and
> >> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about
> butyl,
> >> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better
> choice,
> >> but which brand/what type?
> >>
> >> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
> >> comments about that idea?
> >>
> >> Many thanks, best Regards,
> >>
> >> Randy Katz
> >> #259 Simple Gifts
> >> Seattle/Bellingham
> >> --
> >>
> >> Randall Katz
> >> 910 - 32nd Ave.
> >> Seattle, WA 98122
> >> 206-850-7350
> >> ??? iPad ??
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:21:00 -0500
> From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
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> read somewhere to leave a space between coaming and deck so water can drain
> use one or two washers
> and leave space on bottom
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:05:22 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
> joining to fiberglass?
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> Good morning Americo -
>
> That is not such a good idea? water will flow through and guarantee you
> have a wet bum when any water is on deck?
>
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 2018, at 9:21 PM, americo silva via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > read somewhere to leave a space between coaming and deck so water can
> drain
> > use one or two washers
> > and leave space on bottom
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> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:10:29 -0500
> From: jreadams6 <laughing.gull.a30 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
> joining to fiberglass?
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> I did what Mercelo did with the D shaped seal and also used caulking. It
> still leaks enough to need some caulking maintenance this year - it leaks
> in an area that got bashed in a jibe, so maybe not the seal's fault. Some
> comments on the other posts:
>
> 1. Oak is much cheaper, but does not wear well at all and is hard to
> maintain - it is a hard wood, with ridges that collect water, dirt and
> ultimately mold. Many people when using Oak in furniture will fill the
> ridges with a filler befor finishing it. I have seen boats that use oak and
> it is not pretty over time. You could probably use a different wood that
> would not be that much more expensive - mahogony comes to mind.
>
> 2. On leaving a gap with washers, this is interesting. On the one hand it
> keeps the area under the wood from getting wet and staying wet - which
> makes it impossible for any varnish to stay on. However, then your butt
> gets wet when you are sailing in weather. I know Wes did away with the
> coaming, but he only ever sails in the Severn River. The Alberg is wet
> boat upwind in any kind of seaway and breeze. The water sprays up on the
> windward side, and then rolls down the deck to the aft end of the coaming
> and from there can make its way to the lee side. Along the way if it can,
> it will try and get into the cockpit.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:20 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Randy,
> >
> > Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
> > With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
> >
> > Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
> > So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
> > Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
> > "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
> > side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
> > his notes on this.
> >
> > You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
> > than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Jonathan
> > Rather than Starboard, you might want to
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings, All,
> > >
> > > I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
> > > difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
> > at
> > > each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the
> deck.
> > I
> > > wondered if this was the original installation.
> > >
> > > Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean
> and
> > > oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
> > >
> > > I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
> > and
> > > their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about
> butyl,
> > > but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better
> choice,
> > > but which brand/what type?
> > >
> > > I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
> > > comments about that idea?
> > >
> > > Many thanks, best Regards,
> > >
> > > Randy Katz
> > > #259 Simple Gifts
> > > Seattle/Bellingham
> > > --
> > >
> > > Randall Katz
> > > 910 - 32nd Ave.
> > > Seattle, WA 98122
> > > 206-850-7350
> > > ??? iPad ??
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > These businesses support your Association:
> > > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> 443-223-2534
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:17:57 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: jonathan.adams at analyticaltern.com, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
> joining to fiberglass?
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>
> Good morning Jonathan -
>
> I am guessing that in Option 1 you are referring to red oak. That wood is
> not appropriate for marine use. White oak, in complete contrast, is very
> durable, very close grained, and does indeed take finishes well.
>
> Both varieties of oak can be successfully varnished - there?s no need for
> ridges etc to remain if normal sanding and coating is applied. But red
> oak will rot quickly. White oak may last centuries if it?s looked after.
>
> When varnished, white oak has a bright blonde colour? I?d say the only
> disadvantage it has is that it has a tendency to turn black if water gets
> through the varnish.
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
>
> PS I?ve just discovered the on-line coverage of your club?s racing on
> youtube. Saw you and your boat in a couple of the races. You certainly
> sail in heavy traffic sometimes!
>
>
>
> > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:10 AM, jreadams6 via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > I did what Mercelo did with the D shaped seal and also used caulking. It
> > still leaks enough to need some caulking maintenance this year - it leaks
> > in an area that got bashed in a jibe, so maybe not the seal's fault. Some
> > comments on the other posts:
> >
> > 1. Oak is much cheaper, but does not wear well at all and is hard to
> > maintain - it is a hard wood, with ridges that collect water, dirt and
> > ultimately mold. Many people when using Oak in furniture will fill the
> > ridges with a filler befor finishing it. I have seen boats that use oak
> and
> > it is not pretty over time. You could probably use a different wood that
> > would not be that much more expensive - mahogony comes to mind.
> >
> > 2. On leaving a gap with washers, this is interesting. On the one hand
> it
> > keeps the area under the wood from getting wet and staying wet - which
> > makes it impossible for any varnish to stay on. However, then your butt
> > gets wet when you are sailing in weather. I know Wes did away with the
> > coaming, but he only ever sails in the Severn River. The Alberg is wet
> > boat upwind in any kind of seaway and breeze. The water sprays up on the
> > windward side, and then rolls down the deck to the aft end of the coaming
> > and from there can make its way to the lee side. Along the way if it can,
> > it will try and get into the cockpit.
> >
> > My $0.02.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:20 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Randy,
> >>
> >> Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
> >> With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
> >>
> >> Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
> >> So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
> >> Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
> >> "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
> >> side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
> >> his notes on this.
> >>
> >> You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
> >> than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >> Rather than Starboard, you might want to
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings, All,
> >>>
> >>> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
> >>> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
> >> at
> >>> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the
> deck.
> >> I
> >>> wondered if this was the original installation.
> >>>
> >>> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean
> and
> >>> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
> >>>
> >>> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
> >> and
> >>> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about
> butyl,
> >>> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better
> choice,
> >>> but which brand/what type?
> >>>
> >>> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
> >>> comments about that idea?
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks, best Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Randy Katz
> >>> #259 Simple Gifts
> >>> Seattle/Bellingham
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Randall Katz
> >>> 910 - 32nd Ave.
> >>> Seattle, WA 98122
> >>> 206-850-7350
> >>> ??? iPad ??
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> These businesses support your Association:
> >>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> >>> Please support them.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Public-List mailing list
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jonathan M Bresler
> >> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> These businesses support your Association:
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Adams
> > 443-223-2534
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