[Public-List] ...We're not done yet.

[Martin Privette]

This whole deal is very sad...keep your chin up...sail on.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:30 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Thanks Michael,
>
> I’m looking forward to finding something fun to write about... like the
> Misery Trip that didn’t happen this year
>
> G
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 12, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Gord,
> > You had mentioned in your first rendition of events that you were
> satisfied with the net result of the hearing because it gave the "offender"
> an opportunity to redeem himself. Certainly honourable on your part. Seems
> to me that you have your answer. His aggressive behavour off the race
> course in not accepting the hearing results indicates to me that his
> prevalent attitude continues to be one of anger and confrontation. He
> appears fixated on proving his superiority by bullying those around him.
> >
> > In my experience the best avenue to stop a bully is to figuratively
> punch him in the face...…………………………..expel him from the club.
> > So sorry this seems to be so blunt. I believe he will remain the same
> all the way to his grave. "Dyed in-the-wool" so to speak.
> >
> > Thanks for the up-date.
> > Michael
> >> On November 12, 2018 at 9:37 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I promised George Dinwiddie that I’d provide follow up on events
> involving our club’s overly aggressive member, the fellow we were in the
> collision with in September.
> >>
> >> In brief recap, in his most recent incident he tried to jam himself
> between two starboard tack boats sailing nose to tail when he was on port
> tack, colliding with us in SURPRISE in the process. We were the second
> starboard tack boat. The club decided this most recent in a long series of
> incidents was provocation enough to issue a Rule 69 charge, and in due
> course there was a hearing. The hearing found him guilty and issued a 12
> month suspension from racing on Wednesday nights, but allowed him to race
> in our weekend distance races. The weekend races have less traffic and
> would offer him an opportunity to demonstrate an attitude adjustment. There
> was a warning that the next transgression might lead to a life-time ban.
> >>
> >> Here’s what’s happened since then.
> >>
> >> Our member has combed the rule book and the proceedings of the hearing,
> and determined that he was notified incorrectly of the hearing, and that he
> was subsequently notified incorrectly of the decision of the hearing board.
> Based on that he is appealing his ‘conviction’ to higher yachting
> authorities. If his hearing is deemed valid, and is heard by the higher
> yachting authority, two things can happen.
> >> the club’s proceedings may be deemed valid, and the penalty upheld
> >> the club’s proceedings may be deemed invalid due to the errors or
> irregularities our member claims, in which case the penalty is overturned.
> >>
> >>
> >> In the former case, we proceed and he has a chance to redeem himself.
> In the later case, the club needs to decide if it’s going to start again by
> laying the charge, then holding the hearing again, this time taking steps
> to avoid the claimed irregularities. There will be a new deliberation and
> presumably new results.
> >>
> >> Or, the club can decide they are fed up with the time and energy being
> devoted to this members problems, and not bother to lay further charges
> under the rules, and just rescind the membership of this person under the
> clubs own rules and bylaws. Basically ‘if you can’t play nicely, go and
> play somewhere else’. The difference between a club-based suspension and a
> Sail Canada based ban is that the later is international. Apparently any
> suspension under Rule 69 that is longer than four weeks needs to be
> published internationally and is applied internationally.
> >>
> >> If this person beats the Rule 69 penalty, and the club decides it’s fed
> up with him and revokes his membership, that is in effect the end of racing
> for him anyway because there are no other clubs running races within 30
> miles of us here on Georgian Bay.
> >>
> >> Any way one looks at it, I don’t think anything good will come of this
> for the person in question. I’ve been asked if I would be willing to
> testify again should the club find itself in the position of re-doing the
> Rule 69 hearing. I said I would.
> >>
> >> How tiresome.
> >>
> >> Gord
> >> #426 Surprise
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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