[Public-List] Boom Vang sizing help

Gordon Laco mainstay at csolve.net
Sat Nov 17 11:24:05 PST 2018


And I have to add…  I was just over at Dutchman’s where our boats are wintering… man o man do I feel clever having already tarped up Surprise BEFORE the cold weather started.

Gordon Laco
#426 Surprise




> On Nov 17, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Yo Ho Rod…
> 
> The dyneema is 12 strand 3/16”.   It tickles me to use high technology line there when everything else in the rig is traditional…
> 
> 2-6 refers to the numbers of the men in a gun team… they’re the two forward most port and starboard of the gun, closest to the gunport.  The rest of the team tails on behind them, so when the gun captain calls TWO SIX! he’s addressing the preparatory order to the guys at the head of each running up tackle.  The HEAVE part is self explanatory…
> 
> 
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Rod Symmes via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Gord ;
>> Two questions:
>> What size dyneema ?
>> Do you use a small winch or simply "two six HEAVE".
>> (and some day I want to hear your theory on why the navy came up with that phrase )
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,  Rod
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Gordon Laco via Public-List
>> Date:17-11-2018 11:13 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> Cc: Gordon Laco
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Boom Vang sizing help
>> 
>> Hello James -
>> 
>> We use 10mm (3/8”) line in SURPRISE’s vang.  We have a block on a bale on the boom, and another bale also bolted through the mast’s heel and run the rig between them
>> 
>> We have a piece of dyneema running 2:1 from the bale up to the single block on the boom and about 1/3 of the way back down.   Hauling on this we have a 3:1 tackle comprised of a single block with becket at the end of the dyneema, and a double fiddle block with a cam cleat shackled to the mast bale down at the bottom.  This tackle is the one with the 10mm braided polyester line
>> 
>> This gives us 6:1 on the vang, which serves well.   I’ll send you a photo off list.
>> 
>> 
>> Gordon Laco
>> 426 SURPRISE
>> 
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>> 
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>>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 11:03 AM, James Cowhey via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I want to replace the useless 2:1 vang on Mo Cuisle (#56).  I think maybe it was used only as a preventer by the PO.  I’d appreciate any suggestions on sizing of blocks and line for a working vang.  The boat has a Boomkicker already installed.  I think 50mm blocks with a MWL of 800 to 900 lbs should work.
>>> 
>>> James Cowhey
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 12, 2018, at 11:21 PM, Martin Privette via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This whole deal is very sad...keep your chin up...sail on.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:30 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Michael,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m looking forward to finding something fun to write about... like the
>>>>> Misery Trip that didn’t happen this year
>>>>> 
>>>>> G
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Gord,
>>>>>> You had mentioned in your first rendition of events that you were
>>>>> satisfied with the net result of the hearing because it gave the "offender"
>>>>> an opportunity to redeem himself. Certainly honourable on your part. Seems
>>>>> to me that you have your answer. His aggressive behavour off the race
>>>>> course in not accepting the hearing results indicates to me that his
>>>>> prevalent attitude continues to be one of anger and confrontation. He
>>>>> appears fixated on proving his superiority by bullying those around him.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In my experience the best avenue to stop a bully is to figuratively
>>>>> punch him in the face...…………………………..expel him from the club.
>>>>>> So sorry this seems to be so blunt. I believe he will remain the same
>>>>> all the way to his grave. "Dyed in-the-wool" so to speak.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the up-date.
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> On November 12, 2018 at 9:37 AM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I promised George Dinwiddie that I’d provide follow up on events
>>>>> involving our club’s overly aggressive member, the fellow we were in the
>>>>> collision with in September.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In brief recap, in his most recent incident he tried to jam himself
>>>>> between two starboard tack boats sailing nose to tail when he was on port
>>>>> tack, colliding with us in SURPRISE in the process. We were the second
>>>>> starboard tack boat. The club decided this most recent in a long series of
>>>>> incidents was provocation enough to issue a Rule 69 charge, and in due
>>>>> course there was a hearing. The hearing found him guilty and issued a 12
>>>>> month suspension from racing on Wednesday nights, but allowed him to race
>>>>> in our weekend distance races. The weekend races have less traffic and
>>>>> would offer him an opportunity to demonstrate an attitude adjustment. There
>>>>> was a warning that the next transgression might lead to a life-time ban.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here’s what’s happened since then.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Our member has combed the rule book and the proceedings of the hearing,
>>>>> and determined that he was notified incorrectly of the hearing, and that he
>>>>> was subsequently notified incorrectly of the decision of the hearing board.
>>>>> Based on that he is appealing his ‘conviction’ to higher yachting
>>>>> authorities. If his hearing is deemed valid, and is heard by the higher
>>>>> yachting authority, two things can happen.
>>>>>>> the club’s proceedings may be deemed valid, and the penalty upheld
>>>>>>> the club’s proceedings may be deemed invalid due to the errors or
>>>>> irregularities our member claims, in which case the penalty is overturned.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the former case, we proceed and he has a chance to redeem himself.
>>>>> In the later case, the club needs to decide if it’s going to start again by
>>>>> laying the charge, then holding the hearing again, this time taking steps
>>>>> to avoid the claimed irregularities. There will be a new deliberation and
>>>>> presumably new results.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or, the club can decide they are fed up with the time and energy being
>>>>> devoted to this members problems, and not bother to lay further charges
>>>>> under the rules, and just rescind the membership of this person under the
>>>>> clubs own rules and bylaws. Basically ‘if you can’t play nicely, go and
>>>>> play somewhere else’. The difference between a club-based suspension and a
>>>>> Sail Canada based ban is that the later is international. Apparently any
>>>>> suspension under Rule 69 that is longer than four weeks needs to be
>>>>> published internationally and is applied internationally.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If this person beats the Rule 69 penalty, and the club decides it’s fed
>>>>> up with him and revokes his membership, that is in effect the end of racing
>>>>> for him anyway because there are no other clubs running races within 30
>>>>> miles of us here on Georgian Bay.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any way one looks at it, I don’t think anything good will come of this
>>>>> for the person in question. I’ve been asked if I would be willing to
>>>>> testify again should the club find itself in the position of re-doing the
>>>>> Rule 69 hearing. I said I would.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How tiresome.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gord
>>>>>>> #426 Surprise
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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