[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3758, Issue 1
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Mon Nov 12 11:52:51 PST 2018
Mahogany is very nice… easy to work… takes varnish very well…
Gordon Laco
426 Surprise
> On Nov 12, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> what about bedding compund like Dolfinite? It skins over and can take
> varnish, is easy to remove if you want to take off. Also nobody likes
> mahogany? You can get sappelle African mahog. at a fair price, better than
> oak.
> sheldon
> Rainbow #481
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to fiberglass?
>> (Randy Katz)
>> 2. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass? (Jonathan Bresler)
>> 3. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass? (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
>> 4. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass? (americo silva)
>> 5. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass? (Gordon Laco)
>> 6. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass? (jreadams6)
>> 7. Re: Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass? (Gordon Laco)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:26:01 -0800
>> From: Randy Katz <randy.katz50 at gmail.com>
>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>> Subject: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing joining to
>> fiberglass?
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>> Greetings, All,
>>
>> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
>> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one at
>> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the deck. I
>> wondered if this was the original installation.
>>
>> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean and
>> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
>>
>> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing and
>> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about butyl,
>> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better choice,
>> but which brand/what type?
>>
>> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
>> comments about that idea?
>>
>> Many thanks, best Regards,
>>
>> Randy Katz
>> #259 Simple Gifts
>> Seattle/Bellingham
>> --
>>
>> Randall Katz
>> 910 - 32nd Ave.
>> Seattle, WA 98122
>> 206-850-7350
>> ??? iPad ??
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:51:14 -0500
>> From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Cc: Randy Katz <randy.katz50 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
>> joining to fiberglass?
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>>
>> Randy,
>>
>> Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
>> With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
>>
>> Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
>> So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
>> Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
>> "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
>> side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
>> his notes on this.
>>
>> You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
>> than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Jonathan
>> Rather than Starboard, you might want to
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings, All,
>>>
>>> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
>>> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
>> at
>>> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the deck.
>> I
>>> wondered if this was the original installation.
>>>
>>> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean and
>>> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
>>>
>>> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
>> and
>>> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about butyl,
>>> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better choice,
>>> but which brand/what type?
>>>
>>> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
>>> comments about that idea?
>>>
>>> Many thanks, best Regards,
>>>
>>> Randy Katz
>>> #259 Simple Gifts
>>> Seattle/Bellingham
>>> --
>>>
>>> Randall Katz
>>> 910 - 32nd Ave.
>>> Seattle, WA 98122
>>> 206-850-7350
>>> ??? iPad ??
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan M Bresler
>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:20:42 -0600
>> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
>> joining to fiberglass?
>> Message-ID: <EDBEC904-6561-4812-8D91-54454AB35B6A at cox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Good evening,
>> On mine, when I took them off last year to varnish, I did away with the
>> caulk by using a self stick D-shaped rubber weatherstripping that I bought
>> at Home Depot. (Frost King D-profile). The weatherstripping is attached to
>> the edge of fiberglass where the coaming rests. So far, it has worked great
>> with no leaks.
>> Marcelo
>> Alegr?a #441
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Randy,
>>>
>>> Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
>>> With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
>>>
>>> Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
>>> So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
>>> Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
>>> "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
>>> side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
>>> his notes on this.
>>>
>>> You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
>>> than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>> Rather than Starboard, you might want to
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings, All,
>>>>
>>>> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
>>>> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
>> at
>>>> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the
>> deck. I
>>>> wondered if this was the original installation.
>>>>
>>>> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean and
>>>> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
>>>>
>>>> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
>> and
>>>> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about
>> butyl,
>>>> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better
>> choice,
>>>> but which brand/what type?
>>>>
>>>> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
>>>> comments about that idea?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks, best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Randy Katz
>>>> #259 Simple Gifts
>>>> Seattle/Bellingham
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Randall Katz
>>>> 910 - 32nd Ave.
>>>> Seattle, WA 98122
>>>> 206-850-7350
>>>> ??? iPad ??
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:21:00 -0500
>> From: americo silva <picomar1957 at gmail.com>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
>> joining to fiberglass?
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>>
>> read somewhere to leave a space between coaming and deck so water can drain
>> use one or two washers
>> and leave space on bottom
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 06:05:22 -0500
>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
>> joining to fiberglass?
>> Message-ID: <85235E65-3255-42CA-BE51-BB8769B6DFE1 at csolve.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Good morning Americo -
>>
>> That is not such a good idea? water will flow through and guarantee you
>> have a wet bum when any water is on deck?
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2018, at 9:21 PM, americo silva via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> read somewhere to leave a space between coaming and deck so water can
>> drain
>>> use one or two washers
>>> and leave space on bottom
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:10:29 -0500
>> From: jreadams6 <laughing.gull.a30 at gmail.com>
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
>> joining to fiberglass?
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>>
>> I did what Mercelo did with the D shaped seal and also used caulking. It
>> still leaks enough to need some caulking maintenance this year - it leaks
>> in an area that got bashed in a jibe, so maybe not the seal's fault. Some
>> comments on the other posts:
>>
>> 1. Oak is much cheaper, but does not wear well at all and is hard to
>> maintain - it is a hard wood, with ridges that collect water, dirt and
>> ultimately mold. Many people when using Oak in furniture will fill the
>> ridges with a filler befor finishing it. I have seen boats that use oak and
>> it is not pretty over time. You could probably use a different wood that
>> would not be that much more expensive - mahogony comes to mind.
>>
>> 2. On leaving a gap with washers, this is interesting. On the one hand it
>> keeps the area under the wood from getting wet and staying wet - which
>> makes it impossible for any varnish to stay on. However, then your butt
>> gets wet when you are sailing in weather. I know Wes did away with the
>> coaming, but he only ever sails in the Severn River. The Alberg is wet
>> boat upwind in any kind of seaway and breeze. The water sprays up on the
>> windward side, and then rolls down the deck to the aft end of the coaming
>> and from there can make its way to the lee side. Along the way if it can,
>> it will try and get into the cockpit.
>>
>> My $0.02.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:20 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Randy,
>>>
>>> Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
>>> With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
>>>
>>> Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
>>> So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
>>> Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
>>> "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
>>> side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
>>> his notes on this.
>>>
>>> You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
>>> than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>> Rather than Starboard, you might want to
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings, All,
>>>>
>>>> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
>>>> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
>>> at
>>>> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the
>> deck.
>>> I
>>>> wondered if this was the original installation.
>>>>
>>>> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean
>> and
>>>> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
>>>>
>>>> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
>>> and
>>>> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about
>> butyl,
>>>> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better
>> choice,
>>>> but which brand/what type?
>>>>
>>>> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
>>>> comments about that idea?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks, best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Randy Katz
>>>> #259 Simple Gifts
>>>> Seattle/Bellingham
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Randall Katz
>>>> 910 - 32nd Ave.
>>>> Seattle, WA 98122
>>>> 206-850-7350
>>>> ??? iPad ??
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>> Please support them.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Adams
>> 443-223-2534
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 09:17:57 -0500
>> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
>> To: jonathan.adams at analyticaltern.com, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
>> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Which caulk for cockpit teak combing
>> joining to fiberglass?
>> Message-ID: <853DCF9D-D0B7-4FBB-B094-2B8558ECF081 at csolve.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Good morning Jonathan -
>>
>> I am guessing that in Option 1 you are referring to red oak. That wood is
>> not appropriate for marine use. White oak, in complete contrast, is very
>> durable, very close grained, and does indeed take finishes well.
>>
>> Both varieties of oak can be successfully varnished - there?s no need for
>> ridges etc to remain if normal sanding and coating is applied. But red
>> oak will rot quickly. White oak may last centuries if it?s looked after.
>>
>> When varnished, white oak has a bright blonde colour? I?d say the only
>> disadvantage it has is that it has a tendency to turn black if water gets
>> through the varnish.
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>
>> PS I?ve just discovered the on-line coverage of your club?s racing on
>> youtube. Saw you and your boat in a couple of the races. You certainly
>> sail in heavy traffic sometimes!
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:10 AM, jreadams6 via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I did what Mercelo did with the D shaped seal and also used caulking. It
>>> still leaks enough to need some caulking maintenance this year - it leaks
>>> in an area that got bashed in a jibe, so maybe not the seal's fault. Some
>>> comments on the other posts:
>>>
>>> 1. Oak is much cheaper, but does not wear well at all and is hard to
>>> maintain - it is a hard wood, with ridges that collect water, dirt and
>>> ultimately mold. Many people when using Oak in furniture will fill the
>>> ridges with a filler befor finishing it. I have seen boats that use oak
>> and
>>> it is not pretty over time. You could probably use a different wood that
>>> would not be that much more expensive - mahogony comes to mind.
>>>
>>> 2. On leaving a gap with washers, this is interesting. On the one hand
>> it
>>> keeps the area under the wood from getting wet and staying wet - which
>>> makes it impossible for any varnish to stay on. However, then your butt
>>> gets wet when you are sailing in weather. I know Wes did away with the
>>> coaming, but he only ever sails in the Severn River. The Alberg is wet
>>> boat upwind in any kind of seaway and breeze. The water sprays up on the
>>> windward side, and then rolls down the deck to the aft end of the coaming
>>> and from there can make its way to the lee side. Along the way if it can,
>>> it will try and get into the cockpit.
>>>
>>> My $0.02.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:20 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Randy,
>>>>
>>>> Don't know which caulk to use between the coamings and the deck.
>>>> With you, I am also looking forward to see what is recommended.
>>>>
>>>> Replacing the coamings with teak would be quite expensive.
>>>> So its quite understandable to be looking at other materials.
>>>> Wes Gardner installed "mini" coamings, just enough to fill the
>>>> "shelf" in the fiberglass and mounted the winches directly to the
>>>> side decks. If you search the list archives, expect you will find
>>>> his notes on this.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to consider oak coamings. Oak is much cheaper
>>>> than teak and if sealed well, may last quite a number of years.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> Rather than Starboard, you might want to
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:45 PM Randy Katz via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Greetings, All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I finally got my ratty combing boards off the boat. It wasn?t that
>>>>> difficult, but I found plugged screws in the outside quarter round (one
>>>> at
>>>>> each end, along the deck/combing joint) that went snuggly into the
>> deck.
>>>> I
>>>>> wondered if this was the original installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many layers of chipped, worn Cetol have to go; I?m planning to clean
>> and
>>>>> oil the boards for an easier maintenance regime.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that when I replace them I?ll need to caulk between the combing
>>>> and
>>>>> their fiberglass seats, on he outside of the cockpit. I read about
>> butyl,
>>>>> but it seems to degrade in UV. Polysulfide seems likely, a better
>> choice,
>>>>> but which brand/what type?
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand some have replaced the teak with plastic Starboard? any
>>>>> comments about that idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks, best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy Katz
>>>>> #259 Simple Gifts
>>>>> Seattle/Bellingham
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Randall Katz
>>>>> 910 - 32nd Ave.
>>>>> Seattle, WA 98122
>>>>> 206-850-7350
>>>>> ??? iPad ??
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>>>>> Please support them.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Public-List mailing list
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>>>>> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>>>> Please support them.
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Adams
>>> 443-223-2534
>>> _______________________________________________
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