[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3724, Issue 1
A30 Kittiwake
a30kittiwake at gmail.com
Tue Sep 11 14:30:25 PDT 2018
Good luck, Sheldon. I’m headed down tomorrow to double up lines and ride it
out.
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 16:20 Sheldon Shikoluk via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> I have Alberg 30 #481 "Rainbow" am located right in the crosshairs of
> Florence on the Neuse river near Oriental NC. I am in a hurricane hole
> marina with super wind and surge protection. I stripped genoa off but left
> main on with sailcover but I secured it all around the boom with line. I
> also removed my dodger and have no bimini. I am in a fixed slip and doubled
> up my lines and tied them to pilings with slack. I will go to the boat
> during lulls in storm to check them. No jackstands available for a haulout
> so did best I could, will wait and see.
> Sheldon
>
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> > 1. Hurricane help (A30 Kittiwake)
> > 2. Re: Hurricane help (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
> > 3. Re: Hurricane help (Paul Wilson)
> > 4. Re: Hurricane help (Rolph and Joan Townshend)
> > 5. Re: Hurricane help (A30 Kittiwake)
> > 6. Re: Hurricane help (George Dinwiddie)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:38:08 -0700
> > From: A30 Kittiwake <a30kittiwake at gmail.com>
> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > Subject: [Public-List] Hurricane help
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> > I bought Kittiwake #76 about a week ago and now there?s a storm coming.
> The
> > marina I?m in doesn?t have any more blocks to haul me out. Even if they
> > could, I?d be concerned about the surge. The boat is just north of
> Newport
> > News in Hayes, VA. I drove threes hours yesterday to check on her after
> the
> > last rains and had to walk the last mile through up to a foot of water.
> >
> > Any advice on what to do? It?s my first boat and I don?t have sailing
> > experience yet.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 07:12:56 -0500
> > From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hurricane help
> > Message-ID: <56D72A0D-AB0C-4224-9555-F088AA217C0B at cox.net>
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> >
> > Christian,
> > I live in New Orleans and my boat is in a marina with fixed piers. There
> > are many factors that I take into account for moving my boat out
> including
> > wind strength, direction of storm, and storm surge. During Katrina our
> > marina had a 20ft storm surge that wiped everything out including my
> first
> > boat, a Pearson Vanguard. The best we can do here is move the boat into a
> > bayou and cross tie it from trees along the banks. You need to make sure
> > all the lines have good chafe protection. I would think you could do the
> > same. In Florida and the Caribbean they as well but tie off the
> mangroves.
> > For hurricane Isaac in 2010, the local boatyard hauled out sailboats and
> > blocked them on dry land. Unfortunately, they had no time to unstep their
> > masts or tie them down with anchors. More than half toppled over like
> > dominos. These are situations when you wish you had a trailer and could
> > just haul her out to safety.
> > I hope you and your family stay safe.
> > Marcelo
> > #441 Alegr?a
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 11, 2018, at 4:38 AM, A30 Kittiwake via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought Kittiwake #76 about a week ago and now there?s a storm coming.
> > The
> > > marina I?m in doesn?t have any more blocks to haul me out. Even if they
> > > could, I?d be concerned about the surge. The boat is just north of
> > Newport
> > > News in Hayes, VA. I drove threes hours yesterday to check on her after
> > the
> > > last rains and had to walk the last mile through up to a foot of water.
> > >
> > > Any advice on what to do? It?s my first boat and I don?t have sailing
> > > experience yet.
> > >
> > > Christian
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:16:25 -0400
> > From: Paul Wilson <dcmcrider at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hurricane help
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> >
> > Christian,
> >
> > It depends. Are you on a mooring, fixed dock, floating dock? How
> protected
> > is the marina? Is it in a "hurricane hole" or is it more open?
> >
> > So far, it looks like it's going to be a rain event farther up the Bay.
> My
> > boat's near Annapolis, on a creek with good protection from winds in all
> > directions. The biggest concern I have is surge. It's the strong
> > southerlies that can push a lot of water up the Bay. The last big blow
> that
> > caused severe surge and flooding was Isabel in 2003, and Isabel's center
> > passed just west of the Bay. "Florence" is predicted to be on a track
> well
> > to the south and west and dump a lot of rain on inland North Carolina and
> > southern Virginia. But I'll be watching it closely for the next few days.
> >
> > Things that are in my storm plan, should I need to activate it. (I'm at a
> > fixed dock.)
> >
> > 1) Double up dock lines and install chafe protection.
> > 2) Reduce windage--remove dodger and mainsail.
> > 3) A few additional fenders wouldn't hurt.
> >
> > Paul / Slainte #129
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:13 AM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Christian,
> > > I live in New Orleans and my boat is in a marina with fixed piers.
> There
> > > are many factors that I take into account for moving my boat out
> > including
> > > wind strength, direction of storm, and storm surge. During Katrina our
> > > marina had a 20ft storm surge that wiped everything out including my
> > first
> > > boat, a Pearson Vanguard. The best we can do here is move the boat
> into a
> > > bayou and cross tie it from trees along the banks. You need to make
> sure
> > > all the lines have good chafe protection. I would think you could do
> the
> > > same. In Florida and the Caribbean they as well but tie off the
> > mangroves.
> > > For hurricane Isaac in 2010, the local boatyard hauled out sailboats
> and
> > > blocked them on dry land. Unfortunately, they had no time to unstep
> their
> > > masts or tie them down with anchors. More than half toppled over like
> > > dominos. These are situations when you wish you had a trailer and could
> > > just haul her out to safety.
> > > I hope you and your family stay safe.
> > > Marcelo
> > > #441 Alegr?a
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 11, 2018, at 4:38 AM, A30 Kittiwake via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I bought Kittiwake #76 about a week ago and now there?s a storm
> coming.
> > > The
> > > > marina I?m in doesn?t have any more blocks to haul me out. Even if
> they
> > > > could, I?d be concerned about the surge. The boat is just north of
> > > Newport
> > > > News in Hayes, VA. I drove threes hours yesterday to check on her
> after
> > > the
> > > > last rains and had to walk the last mile through up to a foot of
> water.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice on what to do? It?s my first boat and I don?t have
> sailing
> > > > experience yet.
> > > >
> > > > Christian
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:34:27 -0400
> > From: Rolph and Joan Townshend <joanrolph4 at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hurricane help
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> >
> > Christian - I can't offer you any advice re dealing with the hurricane
> > except to suggest that you spend the time of the high winds and surge
> > aboard at the marina adjusting lines, etc.
> > But I was excited to read your email and hear of KITTIWAKE, #76. I bought
> > her new in 1965 and had her for 14 wonderful years. I live near
> Annapolis,
> > MD and 1 week after I took ownership my family and I took off with 7
> other
> > A30s for the New York Worlds Fair. What a way to get to know your boat.
> I'm
> > glad to hear that she still has the name we gave her. She is a wonderful
> > boat and with proper care she will last forever.
> > Keep me in mind when you have questions. Would love to see you sail her
> to
> > Annapolis where we have many A30's.
> > Hope to hear from you re your future with her.
> > Rolph Townshend
> > 410-544-1769
> > joanrolph4 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Christian,
> > > I live in New Orleans and my boat is in a marina with fixed piers.
> There
> > > are many factors that I take into account for moving my boat out
> > including
> > > wind strength, direction of storm, and storm surge. During Katrina our
> > > marina had a 20ft storm surge that wiped everything out including my
> > first
> > > boat, a Pearson Vanguard. The best we can do here is move the boat
> into a
> > > bayou and cross tie it from trees along the banks. You need to make
> sure
> > > all the lines have good chafe protection. I would think you could do
> the
> > > same. In Florida and the Caribbean they as well but tie off the
> > mangroves.
> > > For hurricane Isaac in 2010, the local boatyard hauled out sailboats
> and
> > > blocked them on dry land. Unfortunately, they had no time to unstep
> their
> > > masts or tie them down with anchors. More than half toppled over like
> > > dominos. These are situations when you wish you had a trailer and could
> > > just haul her out to safety.
> > > I hope you and your family stay safe.
> > > Marcelo
> > > #441 Alegr?a
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 11, 2018, at 4:38 AM, A30 Kittiwake via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I bought Kittiwake #76 about a week ago and now there?s a storm
> coming.
> > > The
> > > > marina I?m in doesn?t have any more blocks to haul me out. Even if
> they
> > > > could, I?d be concerned about the surge. The boat is just north of
> > > Newport
> > > > News in Hayes, VA. I drove threes hours yesterday to check on her
> after
> > > the
> > > > last rains and had to walk the last mile through up to a foot of
> water.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice on what to do? It?s my first boat and I don?t have
> sailing
> > > > experience yet.
> > > >
> > > > Christian
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > These businesses support your Association:
> > > > http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > > Please support them.
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:45:19 -0400
> > From: A30 Kittiwake <a30kittiwake at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hurricane help
> > Message-ID:
> > <
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> >
> > Thanks, Marcelo and Paul. Checking a few other local marinas, but I?m
> > pretty sure everyone has closed their lists.
> > Currently on a fixed dock. I wouldn?t call the marina particularly
> > protected. It?s Crown Point Marina in Hayes, VA.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:35 Paul Wilson via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Christian,
> > >
> > > It depends. Are you on a mooring, fixed dock, floating dock? How
> > protected
> > > is the marina? Is it in a "hurricane hole" or is it more open?
> > >
> > > So far, it looks like it's going to be a rain event farther up the Bay.
> > My
> > > boat's near Annapolis, on a creek with good protection from winds in
> all
> > > directions. The biggest concern I have is surge. It's the strong
> > > southerlies that can push a lot of water up the Bay. The last big blow
> > that
> > > caused severe surge and flooding was Isabel in 2003, and Isabel's
> center
> > > passed just west of the Bay. "Florence" is predicted to be on a track
> > well
> > > to the south and west and dump a lot of rain on inland North Carolina
> and
> > > southern Virginia. But I'll be watching it closely for the next few
> days.
> > >
> > > Things that are in my storm plan, should I need to activate it. (I'm
> at a
> > > fixed dock.)
> > >
> > > 1) Double up dock lines and install chafe protection.
> > > 2) Reduce windage--remove dodger and mainsail.
> > > 3) A few additional fenders wouldn't hurt.
> > >
> > > Paul / Slainte #129
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:13 AM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Christian,
> > > > I live in New Orleans and my boat is in a marina with fixed piers.
> > There
> > > > are many factors that I take into account for moving my boat out
> > > including
> > > > wind strength, direction of storm, and storm surge. During Katrina
> our
> > > > marina had a 20ft storm surge that wiped everything out including my
> > > first
> > > > boat, a Pearson Vanguard. The best we can do here is move the boat
> > into a
> > > > bayou and cross tie it from trees along the banks. You need to make
> > sure
> > > > all the lines have good chafe protection. I would think you could do
> > the
> > > > same. In Florida and the Caribbean they as well but tie off the
> > > mangroves.
> > > > For hurricane Isaac in 2010, the local boatyard hauled out sailboats
> > and
> > > > blocked them on dry land. Unfortunately, they had no time to unstep
> > their
> > > > masts or tie them down with anchors. More than half toppled over like
> > > > dominos. These are situations when you wish you had a trailer and
> could
> > > > just haul her out to safety.
> > > > I hope you and your family stay safe.
> > > > Marcelo
> > > > #441 Alegr?a
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 11, 2018, at 4:38 AM, A30 Kittiwake via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I bought Kittiwake #76 about a week ago and now there?s a storm
> > coming.
> > > > The
> > > > > marina I?m in doesn?t have any more blocks to haul me out. Even if
> > they
> > > > > could, I?d be concerned about the surge. The boat is just north of
> > > > Newport
> > > > > News in Hayes, VA. I drove threes hours yesterday to check on her
> > after
> > > > the
> > > > > last rains and had to walk the last mile through up to a foot of
> > water.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any advice on what to do? It?s my first boat and I don?t have
> > sailing
> > > > > experience yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Christian
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > These businesses support your Association:
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> > > > > Please support them.
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> > > >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:32:06 -0400
> > From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hurricane help
> > Message-ID: <66910a78-13df-0579-3037-105307598be0 at alberg30.org>
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> >
> > Christian,
> >
> > In addition to the things that Paul listed, you might consider
> > 4) Turn the boat to face the expected winds as the hurricane passes
> > 5) If you can, use longer dock lines that reach to further pilings.
> >
> > You can see the longer dock lines in
> > http://alberg30.org/pictures/HurricaneIsabel/photo2.html tied to the
> > pilings on the other side of the pier and the outside of the neighbor's
> > slips. In http://alberg30.org/pictures/HurricaneIsabel/photo4.html you
> > can see that these long lines were still at a modest angle, though the
> > red boat at the neighbor's pier was being heeled over by a tight
> > connection to the dock. (The owner of that boat made no preparations
> > that I saw.)
> >
> > - George
> >
> > On 9/11/18 9:45 AM, A30 Kittiwake via Public-List wrote:
> > > Thanks, Marcelo and Paul. Checking a few other local marinas, but I?m
> > > pretty sure everyone has closed their lists.
> > > Currently on a fixed dock. I wouldn?t call the marina particularly
> > > protected. It?s Crown Point Marina in Hayes, VA.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 09:35 Paul Wilson via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Christian,
> > >>
> > >> It depends. Are you on a mooring, fixed dock, floating dock? How
> > protected
> > >> is the marina? Is it in a "hurricane hole" or is it more open?
> > >>
> > >> So far, it looks like it's going to be a rain event farther up the
> Bay.
> > My
> > >> boat's near Annapolis, on a creek with good protection from winds in
> all
> > >> directions. The biggest concern I have is surge. It's the strong
> > >> southerlies that can push a lot of water up the Bay. The last big blow
> > that
> > >> caused severe surge and flooding was Isabel in 2003, and Isabel's
> center
> > >> passed just west of the Bay. "Florence" is predicted to be on a track
> > well
> > >> to the south and west and dump a lot of rain on inland North Carolina
> > and
> > >> southern Virginia. But I'll be watching it closely for the next few
> > days.
> > >>
> > >> Things that are in my storm plan, should I need to activate it. (I'm
> at
> > a
> > >> fixed dock.)
> > >>
> > >> 1) Double up dock lines and install chafe protection.
> > >> 2) Reduce windage--remove dodger and mainsail.
> > >> 3) A few additional fenders wouldn't hurt.
> > >>
> > >> Paul / Slainte #129
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:13 AM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List
> <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Christian,
> > >>> I live in New Orleans and my boat is in a marina with fixed piers.
> > There
> > >>> are many factors that I take into account for moving my boat out
> > >> including
> > >>> wind strength, direction of storm, and storm surge. During Katrina
> our
> > >>> marina had a 20ft storm surge that wiped everything out including my
> > >> first
> > >>> boat, a Pearson Vanguard. The best we can do here is move the boat
> > into a
> > >>> bayou and cross tie it from trees along the banks. You need to make
> > sure
> > >>> all the lines have good chafe protection. I would think you could do
> > the
> > >>> same. In Florida and the Caribbean they as well but tie off the
> > >> mangroves.
> > >>> For hurricane Isaac in 2010, the local boatyard hauled out sailboats
> > and
> > >>> blocked them on dry land. Unfortunately, they had no time to unstep
> > their
> > >>> masts or tie them down with anchors. More than half toppled over like
> > >>> dominos. These are situations when you wish you had a trailer and
> could
> > >>> just haul her out to safety.
> > >>> I hope you and your family stay safe.
> > >>> Marcelo
> > >>> #441 Alegr?a
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sep 11, 2018, at 4:38 AM, A30 Kittiwake via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I bought Kittiwake #76 about a week ago and now there?s a storm
> > coming.
> > >>> The
> > >>>> marina I?m in doesn?t have any more blocks to haul me out. Even if
> > they
> > >>>> could, I?d be concerned about the surge. The boat is just north of
> > >>> Newport
> > >>>> News in Hayes, VA. I drove threes hours yesterday to check on her
> > after
> > >>> the
> > >>>> last rains and had to walk the last mile through up to a foot of
> > water.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any advice on what to do? It?s my first boat and I don?t have
> sailing
> > >>>> experience yet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Christian
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> These businesses support your Association:
> > >>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
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> > When I remember bygone days George Dinwiddie
> > I think how evening follows morn; gdinwiddie at alberg30.org
> > So many I loved were not yet dead, http://www.Alberg30.org
> > So many I love were not yet born. also see:
> > 'The Middle' by Ogden Nash http://idiacomputing.com
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