[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3902, Issue 1
Sheldon Shikoluk
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Tue Aug 20 16:37:52 PDT 2019
I used Epifannes two part polyeurathane on hull for #481 Rainbow. I brushed
it on and came out like a spray job. Really good paint!?
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> 1. Ettiquette at anchor? (Randy Katz)
> 2. Re: Ettiquette at anchor? (Wehicks)
> 3. Re: Ettiquette at anchor? (Gordon Laco)
> 4. Re: cabin top traveller (Andrew Johns)
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> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:50:15 -0700
> From: Randy Katz <randy.katz50 at gmail.com>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: [Public-List] Ettiquette at anchor?
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> Greetings, 'Bergers,
>
> Gordon's story below reminded me of a concern we're always a bit unsure
> about. We seem plagued by noisy generators on nearby boats, as I'm sure
> others have experienced. Watmough Bay on south Lopez Island, WA., a couple
> of weeks ago--Nearly all sailboats, ah, nice and quiet. Until another
> sailboat-- :( --with its gen exhaust pointed right at us starts ripping
> away... for 2 hours around dinner time.
>
> I'm an adult, I can figure these things out, but I'm curious about the
> response of others. Does one dare ask to the skipper how long such an
> intrusion is expected to continue, by way of giving a hint? Is it
> preferable to pull up anchor and move? Is it best even so to adopt a zen
> attitude and endure till the end? When will modern electrical management
> systems, LEDs, etc. become pervasive enough to reduce gen use? Not in my
> lifetime, I'm afraid.
>
> And then sometimes at 7 in the morning, too!
>
> We often anchor far off from other vessels knowing this problem will come
> up. We go to the beautiful places for peace and quiet, not for listening to
> engines running on and on.
>
> Any experiences or suggestions would be welcomed.
>
> Many Thanks,
> Randy Katz
> #249 Simple Gifts
> Seattle/Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:04:10 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: [Public-List] Cruising...
> Message-ID: <89016B18-7D9F-478F-BC36-8B4C2C39B2FA at csolve.net>
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> So there we were on Friday morning? the usual tornado that are my business
> ventures seemed under control? so we decided to make it a long weekend and
> escape up the coast in the boat.
>
> We loaded up with ice, food, treats and a ginger beer called ?Crabby?s?
> we?ve become addicted to.
>
> Severn Sound was under dead calm conditions so we motored away without
> remorse about not sailing. At 5.8 knots we got up to our favourite
> anchorage in 2.5 hours. Ya, it?s not sailing, but on the other hand
> serious lounging at anchor...
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 01:12:08 -0500
> From: Wehicks <wehicks at gmail.com>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ettiquette at anchor?
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> Send a picture of the crabby bottle. I would like to try.
> Walter.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:50 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, 'Bergers,
> >
> > Gordon's story below reminded me of a concern we're always a bit unsure
> > about. We seem plagued by noisy generators on nearby boats, as I'm sure
> > others have experienced. Watmough Bay on south Lopez Island, WA., a
> couple
> > of weeks ago--Nearly all sailboats, ah, nice and quiet. Until another
> > sailboat-- :( --with its gen exhaust pointed right at us starts ripping
> > away... for 2 hours around dinner time.
> >
> > I'm an adult, I can figure these things out, but I'm curious about the
> > response of others. Does one dare ask to the skipper how long such an
> > intrusion is expected to continue, by way of giving a hint? Is it
> > preferable to pull up anchor and move? Is it best even so to adopt a zen
> > attitude and endure till the end? When will modern electrical management
> > systems, LEDs, etc. become pervasive enough to reduce gen use? Not in my
> > lifetime, I'm afraid.
> >
> > And then sometimes at 7 in the morning, too!
> >
> > We often anchor far off from other vessels knowing this problem will come
> > up. We go to the beautiful places for peace and quiet, not for listening
> to
> > engines running on and on.
> >
> > Any experiences or suggestions would be welcomed.
> >
> > Many Thanks,
> > Randy Katz
> > #249 Simple Gifts
> > Seattle/Bellingham, WA
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:04:10 -0400
> > From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: [Public-List] Cruising...
> > Message-ID: <89016B18-7D9F-478F-BC36-8B4C2C39B2FA at csolve.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > So there we were on Friday morning? the usual tornado that are my
> business
> > ventures seemed under control? so we decided to make it a long weekend
> and
> > escape up the coast in the boat.
> >
> > We loaded up with ice, food, treats and a ginger beer called ?Crabby?s?
> > we?ve become addicted to.
> >
> > Severn Sound was under dead calm conditions so we motored away without
> > remorse about not sailing. At 5.8 knots we got up to our favourite
> > anchorage in 2.5 hours. Ya, it?s not sailing, but on the other hand
> > serious lounging at anchor...
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 08:24:52 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ettiquette at anchor?
> Message-ID: <CC0AFA36-EBC6-4A16-88DD-95353810F632 at csolve.net>
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>
> Here it is Walter?
>
>
> https://www.lcbo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/lcbo/niche/crabbies-original-alcoholic-ginger-beer-272807#.XVvhaZNKjOQ
> <
> https://www.lcbo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/en/lcbo/niche/crabbies-original-alcoholic-ginger-beer-272807#.XVvhaZNKjOQ
> >
>
> Hello Randy - use of gen sets in otherwise quiet anchorages is a growing
> problem. I try to ignore them unless their use is especially obnoxious,
> such as in the case of a large black hulled motor cruiser who joined us in
> a cove with us last year. We were the only two boats there, yet they chose
> to moor themselves to the shore literally within thirty feet of our port
> side. They proceed to start up their generator, then their air
> conditioning then put a loud professional sports game on their TV. Why go
> to a wilderness anchorage if they wanted to watch sports on TV?
>
> Later when they emerged on deck I engaged them in conversation and in the
> course of that, asked them how long they would be running their generator.
> Their response was foul and aggressive. We moved when they started running
> a jet ski at high speed in the tiny cove.
>
> But perhaps there is justice in the universe. Last winter at the Toronto
> Int?l Boat Show I was in my display with my usual neighbours, one of whom
> is an operator of marinas. We began sharing stories of inconsiderate
> ?boaters? (hate that term, a boater is a hat?) Low and behold, they knew
> the people with the black hulled stinkpot. In the months after our
> encounter with them, they?d run afoul of their home marina for non-payment
> of fees and objectionable behaviour involving noise? then another marina
> for non-payment for expensive cosmetic remodelling of their boat. The
> result of all this was that their boat had been legally seized from them.
>
> Hurrumph, says I. Yes, I feel a little guilty for being quietly pleased.
>
> On a similar vein, last summer we witnessed a huge and fast powerboat
> doing a full-on Rodney Dangerfield charging up Severn Sound blaring his
> horn and near missing several boats as he weaved through the sunday
> afternoon homeward bound fleet while towing a huge wake. I caught the
> name of his boat, and made a project of hunting it down in the local
> marinas? PAINFUL PLEASURE was a tenant nearby. I reported him to the
> police with a detailed description of what had happened. The police told
> me they visited him and had a ?conversation? which they reckoned made an
> impression. I didn?t press for charges to be laid, but I could have.
>
> Some months later, in my professional capacity as national distributor for
> Epifanes marine coatings, I received a call from the same marina reporting
> a client needing advice for a painting job he was doing. The boat was near
> enough for me to make a personal visit... Guess who it was...
>
> I helped him out with his issue and in the course of the inspection got to
> know him a little. He was of course new to boat ownership and clearly loved
> his monstrous powerboat. I commented that I was a sailor and kept my boat
> at the sailing club nearby? he murmured ?I don?t think sailors like me very
> much?. So I drew a breath and told him it was I who called the police on
> him the previous summer, and told him why. He apologized? clearly the
> cops had indeed made an impression on him. I believe this particular
> inconsiderate boat operator is in the category of most of them? he just had
> no idea what mayhem and danger he was out there? well now he knows.
>
> Gordon Laco
> 426 Surprise
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 20, 2019, at 2:12 AM, Wehicks via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > Send a picture of the crabby bottle. I would like to try.
> > Walter.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:50 PM, Randy Katz via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Greetings, 'Bergers,
> >>
> >> Gordon's story below reminded me of a concern we're always a bit unsure
> >> about. We seem plagued by noisy generators on nearby boats, as I'm sure
> >> others have experienced. Watmough Bay on south Lopez Island, WA., a
> couple
> >> of weeks ago--Nearly all sailboats, ah, nice and quiet. Until another
> >> sailboat-- :( --with its gen exhaust pointed right at us starts ripping
> >> away... for 2 hours around dinner time.
> >>
> >> I'm an adult, I can figure these things out, but I'm curious about the
> >> response of others. Does one dare ask to the skipper how long such an
> >> intrusion is expected to continue, by way of giving a hint? Is it
> >> preferable to pull up anchor and move? Is it best even so to adopt a zen
> >> attitude and endure till the end? When will modern electrical management
> >> systems, LEDs, etc. become pervasive enough to reduce gen use? Not in my
> >> lifetime, I'm afraid.
> >>
> >> And then sometimes at 7 in the morning, too!
> >>
> >> We often anchor far off from other vessels knowing this problem will
> come
> >> up. We go to the beautiful places for peace and quiet, not for
> listening to
> >> engines running on and on.
> >>
> >> Any experiences or suggestions would be welcomed.
> >>
> >> Many Thanks,
> >> Randy Katz
> >> #249 Simple Gifts
> >> Seattle/Bellingham, WA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:04:10 -0400
> >> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
> >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> >> Subject: [Public-List] Cruising...
> >> Message-ID: <89016B18-7D9F-478F-BC36-8B4C2C39B2FA at csolve.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> So there we were on Friday morning? the usual tornado that are my
> business
> >> ventures seemed under control? so we decided to make it a long weekend
> and
> >> escape up the coast in the boat.
> >>
> >> We loaded up with ice, food, treats and a ginger beer called ?Crabby?s?
> >> we?ve become addicted to.
> >>
> >> Severn Sound was under dead calm conditions so we motored away without
> >> remorse about not sailing. At 5.8 knots we got up to our favourite
> >> anchorage in 2.5 hours. Ya, it?s not sailing, but on the other hand
> >> serious lounging at anchor...
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> These businesses support your Association:
> >> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> >> Please support them.
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> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:53:15 -0400
> From: Andrew Johns <johnsab9 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] cabin top traveller
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> The primary reason for a cabin top mounted traveler is to allow for a
> decent bimini and dodger setup that can be used while sailing.
> Additionally, it allows for extra room in the cockpit.
>
> We have had a cabin top mounted traveler on #104 since 2002. We have a
> Garhauer traveler mounted on teak riser blocks over the rear of the sea
> hood. In my experience, the masonite cored deck on the earlier boats is
> plenty strong enough for a traveler. No signs of distortion or stress
> cracking.
>
> The purchase on the mainsheet was increased to 6:1 in our setup.
> Occasionally we use the cabin top winch to help sheet in when close-hauled.
>
> A few things to keep in mind the force on the boom is not a single point
> load, it's applied over the length of the boom with the load reducing as
> you move farther out (providing you don't have a loose foot main). Moving
> the attachment point from the end to the middle would not double the stress
> in the boom. It would double the stress in the mainsheet but not the boom.
>
> Andrew
> Ecola #104
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 8:52 AM Don Campbell via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Walter:
> > This is about your comment to go to a cabin top traveller. Really
> > consider the forces you are changing when you think about doing that.
> > Firstly: you change the moment of the force on the boom from now 14?6? to
> > about half of that. That means you will double all the other force
> > requirements for the track and blocks, gooseneck, and boom. So if you
> are
> > now happy with the designed 4:1 on the main , you will have to go to at
> > least 8:1 for the same pull on the sheet. It will also mean you change
> the
> > forces on the boom, mast track, and the sail itself. In fact getting a
> > method to hold the connection to the boom for the mainsheet blocks
> without
> > compromising boom strength and still able to withstand the extra forces
> is
> > a real challenge. When a boom breaks in half, it is not a very pretty
> > situation with sail and boom end flapping around your head. Secondly: The
> > cabin top has not been designed to take the upward force that this
> proposed
> > change will incur. While the builders have not known what fiberglass
> would
> > do, so they overbuilt things, changing the structural component to try to
> > do this change was not a part of the design or serendipity that we have
> > enjoyed with a strong hull (which is different from the cabin top and
> > deck). Thirdly: you will change sail shape and have a leech that will
> > always be open because you will lose control of the end of the boom, This
> > will offer more opportunity for a luffing leech and that is not an easy
> > sail for power. Lastly, you will have made the boat not class legal and
> so
> > it can never be sold to anyone who might want to race her.
> >
> > I have no idea why one would want to change the traveller position,
> > but if it is because the original equipment is slow, sticky or just
> > awkward, then consider changing to a new track system and leave it where
> it
> > is now. Hardware manufacturers do a really good job now of making things
> so
> > they work in all conditions, and I know we have Albergs with new gear on
> > them. I put Harken on #528 twenty years ago now and I still like the
> > system. I know others who have used Garhauer and they like that too.
> Really
> > consider the change at boom end. I am also sure that if Carl were alive
> > today and designing boats, or even commenting on refits, he would be
> using
> > today?s hardware because it is functional , well built and safe.
> > Don
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