[Public-List] [EXTERNAL] Public-List Digest, Vol 3886, Issue 4

Greenhouse, Matthew A. (GSFC-6650) matt.greenhouse at nasa.gov
Tue Jul 30 05:51:36 PDT 2019


Jeff -- It should be sufficient to run your engine once per month if you're not using the boat. If your battery won't hold a charge for a month, then there is something wrong. Only boats with refrigeration need to stay plugged in all of the time. That said, if you google "solar battery trickle charger" you will find a family of products for less than $50 that you can just leave in the cockpit when you're not on the boat.

Matt
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Today's Topics:

   1. Solar panels (Jeffrey Randall)
   2. Re: Solar panels (R Kirk)
   3. Re: Solar panels (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
   4. Re: Rivet for mast rail (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
   5. Re: Rivet for mast rail (Eric Chavigny)
   6. Re: Solar panels (Gordon Laco)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:00:17 -0400
From: Jeffrey Randall <jcrandall1956 at gmail.com>
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My slip has lost it's electrical power for reasons related to Navy regulations, so I need to charge batteries.  Who has added solar panels to their A-30 and what were the pluses and minuses?

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Jeff Randall
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:43:28 +0000 (UTC)
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Jeff... Not to worry. Isobar (181) swung at a mooring (NAVSTA Annapolis) all the years I had her, so no shore power. I never used much electricity underway so the batteries never got too low. I used a cheap solar cell, not much larger than a tablet. Before I left the boat I put it on top of the companionway slide and ran its wire to alligator clips at the house battery. Always kept the charge up. I used a mechanical, wave generated, bilge pump at the mooring so no electric use there. (It was/is an exposed bumpy mooring field, so plenty of piston action.)? Bob

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My slip has lost it's electrical power for reasons related to Navy
regulations, so I need to charge batteries.? Who has added solar panels to
their A-30 and what were the pluses and minuses?

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:37:34 -0500
From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
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If you go to pbase.com there is a well written article on how to mount a small solar panel on the stern pulpit. 
Take care,
Marcelo
#441 Alegr?a

> On Jul 29, 2019, at 4:43 PM, R Kirk via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Jeff... Not to worry. Isobar (181) swung at a mooring (NAVSTA Annapolis) all the years I had her, so no shore power. I never used much electricity underway so the batteries never got too low. I used a cheap solar cell, not much larger than a tablet. Before I left the boat I put it on top of the companionway slide and ran its wire to alligator clips at the house battery. Always kept the charge up. I used a mechanical, wave generated, bilge pump at the mooring so no electric use there. (It was/is an exposed bumpy mooring field, so plenty of piston action.)? Bob
> 
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> 
> My slip has lost it's electrical power for reasons related to Navy
> regulations, so I need to charge batteries.  Who has added solar panels to
> their A-30 and what were the pluses and minuses?
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> Jeff Randall
> JCMedical
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:47:56 -0500
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Eric,
>From my experience with this, the track and mast amount to a thickness of 3/16?. Therefore, if you can, select a length of rivet appropriate for this thickness. Too long and it will never tighten down. Too short and it won?t expand correctly on the inside of the mast. 
Marcelo
#441

> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Eric Chavigny via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> I went thru my small inventory here and I have aluminum 3/16 rivet with aluminium pins on hand.
> 
> I am planning to go up in the mast tomorrow if the wind allows it.
> 
> Thanks for the input.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 15:00, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Eric and others.
>> I always thought the the sail track rivets on #133 were 1/8" aluminum.  Because of the design and the tremendous number of rivets in place I would think aluminum rivets would be fine.  Eric if you purchase aluminum rivets just make certain that the pulling pin is aluminum and not steel.  Start by drilling out a loose rivet with an 1/8" drill bit. If the rivet comes out clear from it's hole then you know you have an 1/8" original rivet if not go to the next larger size which would be 3/16". I would start small and then go larger only if need be.
>> What do others think about SS rivets into an aluminum mast and corrosion issues?  Eric would have to use some sort of isolation material when using SS rivets into Aluminum. I for one would not want to introduce the corrosion issues and just go with the Aluminum rivets.
>> My two cents,
>> Michael #133
>>> On July 28, 2019 at 6:38 PM Eric Chavigny via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A short section of our mast rail for the main sail is slightly separate from the mast and I want to remove the rivet redo it so the rail is fully seated on the mast.
>>> 
>>> Anyone know the rivet size for these?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Dimanche Matin #541
>>> 
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:52:30 +0000
From: Eric Chavigny <eric.chavigny at hotmail.com>
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The one I have are 0.250 inch so it should be ok

Thanks 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2019, at 22:48, Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> From my experience with this, the track and mast amount to a thickness of 3/16?. Therefore, if you can, select a length of rivet appropriate for this thickness. Too long and it will never tighten down. Too short and it won?t expand correctly on the inside of the mast. 
> Marcelo
> #441
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Eric Chavigny via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I went thru my small inventory here and I have aluminum 3/16 rivet with aluminium pins on hand.
>> 
>> I am planning to go up in the mast tomorrow if the wind allows it.
>> 
>> Thanks for the input.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 15:00, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eric and others.
>>> I always thought the the sail track rivets on #133 were 1/8" aluminum.  Because of the design and the tremendous number of rivets in place I would think aluminum rivets would be fine.  Eric if you purchase aluminum rivets just make certain that the pulling pin is aluminum and not steel.  Start by drilling out a loose rivet with an 1/8" drill bit. If the rivet comes out clear from it's hole then you know you have an 1/8" original rivet if not go to the next larger size which would be 3/16". I would start small and then go larger only if need be.
>>> What do others think about SS rivets into an aluminum mast and corrosion issues?  Eric would have to use some sort of isolation material when using SS rivets into Aluminum. I for one would not want to introduce the corrosion issues and just go with the Aluminum rivets.
>>> My two cents,
>>> Michael #133
>>>> On July 28, 2019 at 6:38 PM Eric Chavigny via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A short section of our mast rail for the main sail is slightly separate from the mast and I want to remove the rivet redo it so the rail is fully seated on the mast.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone know the rivet size for these?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Dimanche Matin #541
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:21:47 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Solar panels
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We have electricity at our slip but only very rarely use it to recharge batteries or any other purpose? there?s no need.

Gordon Laco
#426 Surprise




> On Jul 29, 2019, at 5:43 PM, R Kirk via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> Jeff... Not to worry. Isobar (181) swung at a mooring (NAVSTA Annapolis) all the years I had her, so no shore power. I never used much electricity underway so the batteries never got too low. I used a cheap solar cell, not much larger than a tablet. Before I left the boat I put it on top of the companionway slide and ran its wire to alligator clips at the house battery. Always kept the charge up. I used a mechanical, wave generated, bilge pump at the mooring so no electric use there. (It was/is an exposed bumpy mooring field, so plenty of piston action.)? Bob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Randall via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> Subject: [Public-List] Solar panels
> 
> My slip has lost it's electrical power for reasons related to Navy
> regulations, so I need to charge batteries.  Who has added solar panels to
> their A-30 and what were the pluses and minuses?
> 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> Jeff Randall
> JCMedical
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