[Public-List] [EXTERNAL] Public-List Digest, Vol 3873, Issue 1
Greenhouse, Matthew A. (GSFC-6650)
matt.greenhouse at nasa.gov
Sun Jun 23 14:30:54 PDT 2019
Gordon — If you have too much weather helm, it is because you are over trimming the main. It has nothing to do with age of the sail or outhaul etc. Your new sail will likely have tell tails on the leach. When the main is trimmed right, then they should stream back (aft). If they stream forward on the leeward side of the sail then you need the ease the sheet to get a neutral helm. If the sail is not full at the luff (mast) then that is fine.
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Today's Topics:
1. New mainsail... (Gordon Laco)
2. Re: New mainsail... (Michael Devonshire)
3. Re: New mainsail... (Michael Devonshire)
4. Re: New mainsail... (Gordon Laco)
5. Re: New mainsail... (Michael Devonshire)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 11:54:49 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net<mailto:mainstay at csolve.net>>
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Subject: [Public-List] New mainsail...
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Hello Gang,
I must be becoming an adult?
Last year I bit the bullet and bought a new genoa. A new sail is a wonderful thing, but sadly I didn?t notice much of a change in SURPRISE?s performance. Silly me, I realized later that our main was long past the blush of youth and it?s the main getting bagged out that leads to heavy helm, and that leads to a slow boat upwind.
So this spring I ordered a new main. Now I?ve got a one year old genny and a brand new main. I?ve finally broken the silly schedule I was on where I always had one old sail and one new one. We bent the main on last night? can?t wait to take it out for its first sail.
A new sail is truly a wonderful thing?
Gordon Laco
#426 Surprise
PS - I can?t remember how many times I?ve been told by A30 sailors that our boats have mains that are too big, and that is why their boats are heavy on the helm. I met one fellow who told me he was using an old Dragon main and he figured THAT, with it?s short foot, was a better sail. No, no no. The reason for heavy helm is either simply slack outhauls, incorrect mast rake, or bagged a bagged out mainsail that needs to be replaced. There?s no reason why an A30 shouldn?t be sweet-sailing with light helm?
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 17:32:44 +0000
From: Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com<mailto:Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] New mainsail...
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Gordon, as a ?newbie? here, can you give me a hint about how to tell if/when a mating is bagged?
Thanks
Mike D
Pickle 619
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> On Jun 23, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg<mailto:public-list at lists.alberg>30.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Gang,
>
> I must be becoming an adult?
>
> Last year I bit the bullet and bought a new genoa. A new sail is a wonderful thing, but sadly I didn?t notice much of a change in SURPRISE?s performance. Silly me, I realized later that our main was long past the blush of youth and it?s the main getting bagged out that leads to heavy helm, and that leads to a slow boat upwind.
>
> So this spring I ordered a new main. Now I?ve got a one year old genny and a brand new main. I?ve finally broken the silly schedule I was on where I always had one old sail and one new one. We bent the main on last night? can?t wait to take it out for its first sail.
>
> A new sail is truly a wonderful thing?
>
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
>
> PS - I can?t remember how many times I?ve been told by A30 sailors that our boats have mains that are too big, and that is why their boats are heavy on the helm. I met one fellow who told me he was using an old Dragon main and he figured THAT, with it?s short foot, was a better sail. No, no no. The reason for heavy helm is either simply slack outhauls, incorrect mast rake, or bagged a bagged out mainsail that needs to be replaced. There?s no reason why an A30 shouldn?t be sweet-sailing with light helm?
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 17:33:36 +0000
From: Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com<mailto:Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] New mainsail...
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> On Jun 23, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Michael Devonshire via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg<mailto:public-list at lists.alberg>30.org> wrote:
>
> Gordon, as a ?newbie? here, can you give me a hint about how to tell if/when a mating is bagged?
> Thanks
> Mike D
> Pickle 619
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 23, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg<mailto:public-list at lists.alberg>30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Gang,
>>
>> I must be becoming an adult?
>>
>> Last year I bit the bullet and bought a new genoa. A new sail is a wonderful thing, but sadly I didn?t notice much of a change in SURPRISE?s performance. Silly me, I realized later that our main was long past the blush of youth and it?s the main getting bagged out that leads to heavy helm, and that leads to a slow boat upwind.
>>
>> So this spring I ordered a new main. Now I?ve got a one year old genny and a brand new main. I?ve finally broken the silly schedule I was on where I always had one old sail and one new one. We bent the main on last night? can?t wait to take it out for its first sail.
>>
>> A new sail is truly a wonderful thing?
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> #426 Surprise
>>
>> PS - I can?t remember how many times I?ve been told by A30 sailors that our boats have mains that are too big, and that is why their boats are heavy on the helm. I met one fellow who told me he was using an old Dragon main and he figured THAT, with it?s short foot, was a better sail. No, no no. The reason for heavy helm is either simply slack outhauls, incorrect mast rake, or bagged a bagged out mainsail that needs to be replaced. There?s no reason why an A30 shouldn?t be sweet-sailing with light helm?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 15:24:51 -0400
From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net<mailto:mainstay at csolve.net>>
To: Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com<mailto:Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] New mainsail...
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My pleasure Mike. Am on the boat now; will write later
G
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> On Jun 23, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com<mailto:Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>> wrote:
>
> Gordon, as a ?newbie? here, can you give me a hint about how to tell if/when a mating is bagged?
> Thanks
> Mike D
> Pickle 619
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 23, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg<mailto:public-list at lists.alberg>30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Gang,
>>
>> I must be becoming an adult?
>>
>> Last year I bit the bullet and bought a new genoa. A new sail is a wonderful thing, but sadly I didn?t notice much of a change in SURPRISE?s performance. Silly me, I realized later that our main was long past the blush of youth and it?s the main getting bagged out that leads to heavy helm, and that leads to a slow boat upwind.
>>
>> So this spring I ordered a new main. Now I?ve got a one year old genny and a brand new main. I?ve finally broken the silly schedule I was on where I always had one old sail and one new one. We bent the main on last night? can?t wait to take it out for its first sail.
>>
>> A new sail is truly a wonderful thing?
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> #426 Surprise
>>
>> PS - I can?t remember how many times I?ve been told by A30 sailors that our boats have mains that are too big, and that is why their boats are heavy on the helm. I met one fellow who told me he was using an old Dragon main and he figured THAT, with it?s short foot, was a better sail. No, no no. The reason for heavy helm is either simply slack outhauls, incorrect mast rake, or bagged a bagged out mainsail that needs to be replaced. There?s no reason why an A30 shouldn?t be sweet-sailing with light helm?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> These businesses support your Association:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alberg30.org_store_A30supporters.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=enM7ScFQvWrcekEYjndveTkrwasULNM_wPIJpHsl3qk&m=0ygMXWDHjflbp6qr3U5INRc5UBnFjFb0PCLeX_hE-AY&s=W2CaiMDO_7CUAhhB4ydIsGNbs-4-m8P4DpPcvIxpvkU&e=
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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 19:45:16 +0000
From: Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com<mailto:Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>>
To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net<mailto:mainstay at csolve.net>>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] New mainsail...
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Many thanks, Gordon.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 23, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net<mailto:mainstay at csolve.net>> wrote:
>
> My pleasure Mike. Am on the boat now; will write later
>
> G
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 23, 2019, at 1:32 PM, Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com<mailto:Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Gordon, as a ?newbie? here, can you give me a hint about how to tell if/when a mating is bagged?
>> Thanks
>> Mike D
>> Pickle 619
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2019, at 11:55 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg<mailto:public-list at lists.alberg>30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Gang,
>>>
>>> I must be becoming an adult?
>>>
>>> Last year I bit the bullet and bought a new genoa. A new sail is a wonderful thing, but sadly I didn?t notice much of a change in SURPRISE?s performance. Silly me, I realized later that our main was long past the blush of youth and it?s the main getting bagged out that leads to heavy helm, and that leads to a slow boat upwind.
>>>
>>> So this spring I ordered a new main. Now I?ve got a one year old genny and a brand new main. I?ve finally broken the silly schedule I was on where I always had one old sail and one new one. We bent the main on last night? can?t wait to take it out for its first sail.
>>>
>>> A new sail is truly a wonderful thing?
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> #426 Surprise
>>>
>>> PS - I can?t remember how many times I?ve been told by A30 sailors that our boats have mains that are too big, and that is why their boats are heavy on the helm. I met one fellow who told me he was using an old Dragon main and he figured THAT, with it?s short foot, was a better sail. No, no no. The reason for heavy helm is either simply slack outhauls, incorrect mast rake, or bagged a bagged out mainsail that needs to be replaced. There?s no reason why an A30 shouldn?t be sweet-sailing with light helm?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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