[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3862, Issue 2
John Maliszewski
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Wed May 15 08:19:24 PDT 2019
Also you can see more pictures of ladders at
http://alberg30.org/maintenance/HullDeck/BoardingLadder/
John Maliszewski
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> 1. Re: Ladder (Michael Devonshire)
> 2. Re: Ladder (Mike Lehman)
> 3. Re: Ladder (George Dinwiddie)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 14:33:31 +0000
> From: Michael Devonshire <Devonshire at jhpokorny.com>
> To: 'Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all'
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
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> Nevermind- figured it out. THanks
>
> Michael Devonshire
> Director of Conservation
> JHPA, Inc.
> 212-759-6462
> 212-759-6540 f
> Direct: 646-666-9326
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Devonshire via Public-List
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:21 AM
> To: 'Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all'
> Cc: Michael Devonshire
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
>
> May Day
>
> Being a techno-troglodyte, I don?t know how to get the "posted" images -
> including the ladder, which is very much something I'd like to see. Can
> anyone give me a clue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike D
> "Pickle" 619
>
> Michael Devonshire
> Director of Conservation
> JHPA, Inc.
> 212-759-6462
> 212-759-6540 f
> Direct: 646-666-9326
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On
> Behalf Of Wes Gardner via Public-List
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:35 AM
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Cc: Wes Gardner
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
>
> Hi All,
> I found a "gunwhale mount" ladder from West Marine - it's 5-step I believe
> costs about 250$ and looks similar to the pictures that have been posted?
> Dunno if anyone can verify that or not?
>
> Wes
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:52 AM Wehicks via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks to all. I would like any pictures that any members care to share
> > with me. Also if there is ladder that can mount on back that would not
> get
> > in the way of a wind vane, cause down the road I would possibly get one.
> > Walter.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 14, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Walter,
> > >
> > > Here is the ladder we use on A30 #505. It works great and is very
> sturdy.
> > > It is important to have the lower rung completely submersed and the
> next
> > to
> > > the lower even with the water. Also, the rubber bumpers on the
> stand-offs
> > > cut, very quickly, through to expose the pipe ends that can damage the
> > > transom. To prevent that we put some PVC pipe over the stand-offs and
> > using
> > > 2-90 degree PVC elbows created a PVC horizontal 'bar' that goes across
> > the
> > > transom. We wound rope around the horizontal PVC piece to protect the
> > > transom.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:17 AM Wehicks via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello
> > >> Can anyone recommend a ladder for the back of the boat ? Needs to be
> > >> sturdy and stainless. I have just started scuba diving and I don?t
> know
> > >> where to start looking.
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Walter.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> These businesses support your Association:
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 10:36:04 -0400
> From: Mike Lehman <mlehman at gmail.com>
> To: A30 Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
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> Wes,
>
> I pretty sure that the 5 step from West Marine is the same ladder. We
> bought the 4 step because it fits in the lazarett when we are not using it
> and it give one full step in the water with the next step even with the
> water. Very easy to use
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2019, 10:20 AM Michael Devonshire via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> > May Day
> >
> > Being a techno-troglodyte, I don?t know how to get the "posted" images -
> > including the ladder, which is very much something I'd like to see. Can
> > anyone give me a clue?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike D
> > "Pickle" 619
> >
> > Michael Devonshire
> > Director of Conservation
> > JHPA, Inc.
> > 212-759-6462
> > 212-759-6540 f
> > Direct: 646-666-9326
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On
> > Behalf Of Wes Gardner via Public-List
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:35 AM
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > Cc: Wes Gardner
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I found a "gunwhale mount" ladder from West Marine - it's 5-step I
> believe
> > costs about 250$ and looks similar to the pictures that have been posted?
> > Dunno if anyone can verify that or not?
> >
> > Wes
> >
> > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:52 AM Wehicks via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks to all. I would like any pictures that any members care to share
> > > with me. Also if there is ladder that can mount on back that would not
> > get
> > > in the way of a wind vane, cause down the road I would possibly get
> one.
> > > Walter.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On May 14, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Walter,
> > > >
> > > > Here is the ladder we use on A30 #505. It works great and is very
> > sturdy.
> > > > It is important to have the lower rung completely submersed and the
> > next
> > > to
> > > > the lower even with the water. Also, the rubber bumpers on the
> > stand-offs
> > > > cut, very quickly, through to expose the pipe ends that can damage
> the
> > > > transom. To prevent that we put some PVC pipe over the stand-offs and
> > > using
> > > > 2-90 degree PVC elbows created a PVC horizontal 'bar' that goes
> across
> > > the
> > > > transom. We wound rope around the horizontal PVC piece to protect
> the
> > > > transom.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:17 AM Wehicks via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello
> > > >> Can anyone recommend a ladder for the back of the boat ? Needs to be
> > > >> sturdy and stainless. I have just started scuba diving and I don?t
> > know
> > > >> where to start looking.
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >> Walter.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> These businesses support your Association:
> > > >>
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alberg30.org_store_A30supporters.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=enM7ScFQvWrcekEYjndveTkrwasULNM_wPIJpHsl3qk&m=qNpxnFaz805vRC4OHNBHkUQ6nLn30-URstBaJClQLtI&s=yeHuZcqpdGO9csPtG4m2S7Iqsp7LNEZLeqcm8KNrH24&e=
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> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mike Lehman
> > > > ~~~_/)_/)~~_/)~~~
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > These businesses support your Association:
> > > >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 10:42:07 -0400
> From: George Dinwiddie <gdinwiddie at alberg30.org>
> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
> Message-ID: <6d981fd3-082f-2334-f053-6b5de1b5f223 at alberg30.org>
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>
> We bought the 5 step because having two steps in the water requires less
> upper body strength. It has to go in the seat locker, though.
>
> - George
>
> On 5/15/19 10:36 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List wrote:
> > Wes,
> >
> > I pretty sure that the 5 step from West Marine is the same ladder. We
> > bought the 4 step because it fits in the lazarett when we are not using
> it
> > and it give one full step in the water with the next step even with the
> > water. Very easy to use
> >
> > On Wed, May 15, 2019, 10:20 AM Michael Devonshire via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> May Day
> >>
> >> Being a techno-troglodyte, I don?t know how to get the "posted" images -
> >> including the ladder, which is very much something I'd like to see. Can
> >> anyone give me a clue?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Mike D
> >> "Pickle" 619
> >>
> >> Michael Devonshire
> >> Director of Conservation
> >> JHPA, Inc.
> >> 212-759-6462
> >> 212-759-6540 f
> >> Direct: 646-666-9326
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Wes Gardner via Public-List
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:35 AM
> >> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >> Cc: Wes Gardner
> >> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Ladder
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >> I found a "gunwhale mount" ladder from West Marine - it's 5-step I
> believe
> >> costs about 250$ and looks similar to the pictures that have been
> posted?
> >> Dunno if anyone can verify that or not?
> >>
> >> Wes
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:52 AM Wehicks via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks to all. I would like any pictures that any members care to share
> >>> with me. Also if there is ladder that can mount on back that would not
> >> get
> >>> in the way of a wind vane, cause down the road I would possibly get
> one.
> >>> Walter.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On May 14, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Walter,
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is the ladder we use on A30 #505. It works great and is very
> >> sturdy.
> >>>> It is important to have the lower rung completely submersed and the
> >> next
> >>> to
> >>>> the lower even with the water. Also, the rubber bumpers on the
> >> stand-offs
> >>>> cut, very quickly, through to expose the pipe ends that can damage the
> >>>> transom. To prevent that we put some PVC pipe over the stand-offs and
> >>> using
> >>>> 2-90 degree PVC elbows created a PVC horizontal 'bar' that goes across
> >>> the
> >>>> transom. We wound rope around the horizontal PVC piece to protect the
> >>>> transom.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 3:17 AM Wehicks via Public-List <
> >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> >>>>> Hello
> >>>>> Can anyone recommend a ladder for the back of the boat ? Needs to be
> >>>>> sturdy and stainless. I have just started scuba diving and I don?t
> >> know
> >>>>> where to start looking.
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>> Walter.
> >>>>>
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