[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 3916, Issue 3

John Maliszewski vzjrmalis at gmail.com
Fri Sep 13 08:35:37 PDT 2019 

Dr. Greenhouse, thank you for the analysis and your explanation. That
should close the efficiency side of this conversation, however esthetics is
a whole another story. Since I know your work and consider the basis of
your analysis as 100% accurate we should let artists in our midst argue the
colors.

Matt, I can report that life in retirement and sailing in the visible
spectrum is not bad, perhaps some day you can enjoy not worrying about the
effects of IR and go sailing on Friendship as you like.

John

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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:40:42 +0000
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> Folks,
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> The engine runs at about 180 F so radiates light at a wavelength of about
> 8 micrometers. This wavelength is in the infrared portion of the spectrum.
> Your eyes cannot see this light but your skin can feel it.
>
> The color of a painted surface as seen in the visible portion of the
> spectrum (0.5 micrometers) is completely unrelated to the way it appears in
> the infrared. For example, window glass is completely opaque and black at 8
> micrometers. Paint that appears white in the visible is not white in the
> infrared.
>
> If one were to paint the engine with coating that was truly black (i.e.,
> high emissivity) at 8 micrometers, the result would simply be a much hotter
> engine compartment and cockpit floor. The engine temperature would not
> change, as it is maintained at a value that is determined by the thermostat.
>
> Bottom line: Paint it whatever color you like. As with any paint job, if
> you don't change the color from the original, you will have an easier time
> getting a good looking outcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Matt Greenhouse
> Friendship 295
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> The emissivity difference between white and black paint is small.
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> The color would be negligible when you consider what portion of the heat
> is absorbed by the cooling system (convection) vs radiated through the
> engine block.
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> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:17 PM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> > How do you prep the engine for painting?
> > Marcelo
> > #441
> >
> > > On Sep 12, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> > > It is a pretty small effect so if it looks better it fine.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:33 Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just about every super yacht and large cruiser I've been on the
> > >> engines, gensets, etc, etc are painted white and are so clean you
> > >> can eat off of them...just saying...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:04 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Might silver/aluminum color be a good choice?
> > >>> From Mike's post sounds like white (light colors?) do not radiate
> > >>> heat well, while dark colors do.  Dont know how silver/aluminum
> > >>> would do in that regard.
> > >>>
> > >>> Would be easy to see leaks, oil, coolant, rust, and dirt on
> > >> silver/aluminum
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:36 PM Glenn Brooks via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> White will really show off any accumulation of dirt and grime.  I
> > >> painted
> > >>>> Dolce?s engine with a couple of spray cans of Volvo green, a
> > moderately
> > >>>> dark forest green, few years ago.  Looked real good and still
> > >>>> enabled
> > >> me
> > >>> to
> > >>>> see tell tale leaks and rust spots.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> A small downside to painting engines white is that they will not
> > >>> radiate
> > >>>>> heat as effectively as a dark color
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 14:03 Ryan via Public-List <
> > >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello All!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm painting my engine soon and I'd like to change it from the
> > >>> original
> > >>>>>> reddish/copper to white, where I can see rust or leaks better
> > >>>>>> and
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> engine looks brighter and cleaner. Is there any downside to
> > >>>>>> doing
> > >> this
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>> the original Atomic 4?
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> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 00:25:25 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Daniel Swords <danielswords at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [Public-List] Used Mainsail ?
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> My current mainsail has reached the end of its serviceable life. It is UV
> rotten to the point that stitching just rips the material further and with
> all the taped patches it looks like Joshua Sloculm?s sail. I do not race
> but I do sail many hours almost every day and am often caught out in
> thunderstorms with gusts of 30 - 50 knots so I reef often and definitely
> need two reef points. I would prefer heavier material (6.5 - 7.0 oz) but as
> a beggar I would not necessarily be a chooser. Price would be more the
> issue than beauty or raceability. Anyone hanging on to an old sail that
> could use a new home? ?If so please email or text me.?Daniel S
> SwordsSolitude # 525?danielswords at yahoo.com504 234-9011
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> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:20:29 -0500
> From: Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Engine Paint Color
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> Marcelo,
>
> I'm planning on disassembling as much as I can. Disconnecting electrics,
> fuel and water lines, taking out the alternator and exhaust manifold.
> Covering any holes I don't want to get dust in and then going over flaking
> paint or rust with a wire brush (drill attachment and hand brush) and then
> a sanding to smooth the edges where the paint is still adhered well. I'll
> wipe it down with mineral spirits or acetone to remove dust and lingering
> oil, then apply a rust treatment where needed before painting. I'm
> considering Ospho for the rust and an automotive spray paint but I haven't
> decided for sure. I won't be able to reach everywhere with the spray as I'm
> doing it in place so I'm also looking at some brush paints.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:17 AM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> > How do you prep the engine for painting?
> > Marcelo
> > #441
> >
> > > On Sep 12, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is a pretty small effect so if it looks better it fine.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:33 Wes Gardner via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just about every super yacht and large cruiser I've been on the
> engines,
> > >> gensets, etc, etc are painted white and are so clean you can eat off
> of
> > >> them...just saying...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:04 AM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Might silver/aluminum color be a good choice?
> > >>> From Mike's post sounds like white (light colors?) do not radiate
> heat
> > >>> well,
> > >>> while dark colors do.  Dont know how silver/aluminum would do in that
> > >>> regard.
> > >>>
> > >>> Would be easy to see leaks, oil, coolant, rust, and dirt on
> > >> silver/aluminum
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 4:36 PM Glenn Brooks via Public-List <
> > >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> White will really show off any accumulation of dirt and grime.  I
> > >> painted
> > >>>> Dolce?s engine with a couple of spray cans of Volvo green, a
> > moderately
> > >>>> dark forest green, few years ago.  Looked real good and still
> enabled
> > >> me
> > >>> to
> > >>>> see tell tale leaks and rust spots.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPad
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <
> > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> A small downside to painting engines white is that they will not
> > >>> radiate
> > >>>>> heat as effectively as a dark color
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 14:03 Ryan via Public-List <
> > >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello All!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm painting my engine soon and I'd like to change it from the
> > >>> original
> > >>>>>> reddish/copper to white, where I can see rust or leaks better and
> > >> the
> > >>>>>> engine looks brighter and cleaner. Is there any downside to doing
> > >> this
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>> the original Atomic 4?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>>
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