[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4101, Issue 1
Shaun Sims
velella at bigpond.com
Wed Dec 30 14:27:45 PST 2020
We had play at the rudder head where the tiller attached to the shaft via the hinged bronze fitting on our 33’ Mico
The fitting had become worn and loose so in the absence of knowing where to find a replacement we had the inside built up again with bronze solder and remachined it.
It went back just fine but then I realised I also had some slop just below deck where the shaft cap went over the main shaft. The hole for the bolt running through both had elongated.
Ended up removing the bolt and redrilling the hole to the next size up and then inserting a larger bolt.
Problem solved.
All of that was done in the water.
I later recall seeing a post where a company in the US still manufactured those bronze fittings but that was a good while ago. We’ve since moved from the 33 to a 52 CSY Ketch and last year turned to the dark side and purchased a Catamaran.
On our first sail was in some strong winds and big seas and I was at the bow when I heard my wife screaming.
Rushed back to the cockpit and she was standing there pointing to a full champagne glass on the saloon table.
‘It’s not moving!…it’s not moving!!!’
After a lifetime of monohull sailing in the Pacific, South China Sea and around Australia, I don’t think we’ll be moving back to the ‘lean’ anytime soon. LMAO
Mind you, Mico was always our favourite when it came to dinner flying across the cabin and dribbling down the bulkhead wall!
Fair winds,
Ladybird (nee Mico)
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> 1. Hatch Rebuild and Tiller Slack (Randy Weatherspoon)
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> 3. Re: Hatch Rebuild and Tiller Slack (Wes Gardner)
> 4. Re: Hatch Rebuild and Tiller Slack (Gordon Laco)
> 5. Re: Hatch Rebuild and Tiller Slack (Michael Connolly)
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> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 14:23:29 -0800
> From: "Randy Weatherspoon" <rlwspoon at earthlink.net>
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> Subject: [Public-List] Hatch Rebuild and Tiller Slack
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> Does anyone have plans on main hatch rebuild for a "69" A30?
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>
>
> I have slack in the tiller- have checked the tiller to rudder post and
> rudder to rudder post .. all seem to be tight but the rudder seems to have
> about 4"-5" of twist?
>
> Any ideas
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Marisel 382
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> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 17:32:02 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Cc: Randy Weatherspoon <rlwspoon at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Hatch Rebuild and Tiller Slack
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> 4? inches? yikes that?s a lot. The problem is either inside the bronze casting at the rudder head. Check to see that there is still a brass key in the slot in there, and check to see that the corresponding slot in the rudder head casting is still sharp edged as when first machined.
>
> Hopefully the issue is there. If not, then the problem is down in the blade of the rudder where the rudder shaft may have have come loose somehow. Hopefully the problem is up top.
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> There should be no play between the rudder and the tiller at all.
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> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
> #426 Surprise
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>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Randy Weatherspoon via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> Does anyone have plans on main hatch rebuild for a "69" A30?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have slack in the tiller- have checked the tiller to rudder post and
>> rudder to rudder post .. all seem to be tight but the rudder seems to have
>> about 4"-5" of twist?
>>
>> Any ideas
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marisel 382
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 21:14:11 -0500
> From: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
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> Cc: Randy Weatherspoon <rlwspoon at earthlink.net>
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> Block the rudder so it can?t move then move the tiller and watch carefully...maybe this takes two people to detect where the movement is...
>
> Wes
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>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Randy Weatherspoon via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> ?Does anyone have plans on main hatch rebuild for a "69" A30?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have slack in the tiller- have checked the tiller to rudder post and
>> rudder to rudder post .. all seem to be tight but the rudder seems to have
>> about 4"-5" of twist?
>>
>> Any ideas
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marisel 382
>>
>>
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> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Good idea Wes. A couple of battens with a clamp through the prop aperture to immobilize the rudder will tell the tale. If the play still happens up in the cockpit, well then that?s it.
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> Gordon Laco
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>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> Block the rudder so it can?t move then move the tiller and watch carefully...maybe this takes two people to detect where the movement is...
>>
>> Wes
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Randy Weatherspoon via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Does anyone have plans on main hatch rebuild for a "69" A30?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have slack in the tiller- have checked the tiller to rudder post and
>>> rudder to rudder post .. all seem to be tight but the rudder seems to have
>>> about 4"-5" of twist?
>>>
>>> Any ideas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Marisel 382
>>>
>>>
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> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
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> Cc: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Randy Weatherspoon
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> Wes,
> If the rudder stock still turns in the cockpit it could be either the stock turning in the blade or at the tiller head. Close observation will tell. Is the boat on the hard?
> Michael
>> On 12/29/2020 9:16 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good idea Wes. A couple of battens with a clamp through the prop aperture to immobilize the rudder will tell the tale. If the play still happens up in the cockpit, well then that?s it.
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Block the rudder so it can?t move then move the tiller and watch carefully...maybe this takes two people to detect where the movement is...
>>>
>>> Wes
>>>
>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Randy Weatherspoon via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Does anyone have plans on main hatch rebuild for a "69" A30?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have slack in the tiller- have checked the tiller to rudder post and
>>>> rudder to rudder post .. all seem to be tight but the rudder seems to have
>>>> about 4"-5" of twist?
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Marisel 382
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:04:55 -0500
> From: Wes Gardner <wesgardner1952 at gmail.com>
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> Sorry, not my boat, I was responding to the OP. Yes, ideally the boat would be ?up.?
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>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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>> ?Wes,
>> If the rudder stock still turns in the cockpit it could be either the stock turning in the blade or at the tiller head. Close observation will tell. Is the boat on the hard?
>> Michael
>>> On 12/29/2020 9:16 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Good idea Wes. A couple of battens with a clamp through the prop aperture to immobilize the rudder will tell the tale. If the play still happens up in the cockpit, well then that?s it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Wes Gardner via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Block the rudder so it can?t move then move the tiller and watch carefully...maybe this takes two people to detect where the movement is...
>>>>
>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Randy Weatherspoon via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Does anyone have plans on main hatch rebuild for a "69" A30?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have slack in the tiller- have checked the tiller to rudder post and
>>>>> rudder to rudder post .. all seem to be tight but the rudder seems to have
>>>>> about 4"-5" of twist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Marisel 382
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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