[Public-List] sail arch

Ryan Young ryoung at spiderhop.net
Fri Jul 31 12:48:04 PDT 2020


Clay,

I would be very eager to see some additional pictures of Seeing Deep's arch
setup!  Very much appreciated, I'm glad you mentioned the bimini bit, I was
just thinking it may be prudent to do the solar setup first and see how
much shade that provides before looking into any sort of proper bimini!

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:20 PM Clay Pass <clay.q.pass at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have #449 (formerly "Janus", now "Seeing Deep") that was referred to in
> the email chain.  Let me know if you want some pictures of the "arch"
> behind the backstay.  I like the setup a lot as it provides a nice bimini
> for shade as well as a place for the solar panel that is out of the way.
>
> Clay Pass
> #449 Seeing Deep
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM Ryan Young via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > All great info - the solar on poles look quite clean and seem to work
>> out
>> > well on Dolce.  I'd be interested in your pulpit solution as well,
>> Marcel,
>> > do share the end result, I'd love to see it and hear how it's working
>> out
>> > for you
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:07:26 -0500
>> > From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
>> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] sail arch
>> > Message-ID: <371BE613-11EE-4861-931D-B74AA0509B89 at cox.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
>> >
>> > Ryan,
>> > Congratulations on acquiring 555 !  I am in New Orleans and actually met
>> > George Copeland, the fellow that brought 555 down from N.C back in
>> 2008. I
>> > purchased the boat he was selling at the time, a Pearson Ariel that was
>> in
>> > a slip close to 555 which he showed off after an extensive refit. I
>> think
>> > your boat?s name then was Atalanta.
>> > I sold the Ariel before purchasing my A30 in 2017.
>> > I am actually in the process of installing a 50w solar panel on the
>> stern
>> > pulpit for keeping the batteries charged in the slip and a little extra
>> > when sailing. As was mentioned  by Jonathan, James Baldwin has great
>> > details on installing solar panels on tracking poles.
>> > Welcome!
>> > Marcelo Gentinetta
>> > #441  Alegria
>> >
>> > > On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Ryan via Public-List <
>> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Ryan,
>> > >
>> > > This pole-with-solar option was done on Dolce with two poles on the
>> aft.
>> > > You can see a lot of videos of Dolce on her recent pacific voyages on
>> the
>> > > youtube channel Routes of Change.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:24 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Ryan,
>> > >>
>> > >> Another option for solar is a pole with a single panel centered on
>> the
>> > top
>> > >> of the pole with a ball joint.
>> > >> The ball joint allows the panel to be angled to catch the most sun,
>> > letting
>> > >> you reposition (re-angle)
>> > >> the panel every couple hours.   You might mount a pole on each side
>> aft.
>> > >> Lora, Jason Jernigan's boat,
>> > >> redone by James Baldwin (
>> > https://www.youtube.com/user/atomvoyager/videos)
>> > >> has this option.
>> > >>
>> > >> Look forward to hearing about how you and the boat are doing over
>> time.
>> > >>
>> > >> Jonathan
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:04 PM Ryan Young <ryoung at spiderhop.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Thanks for the warm welcomes Jonathan and Gordon!  Gordon - I'd
>> like to
>> > >>> throw a few rigid solar panels up, and thought an arch would be the
>> > best
>> > >>> way to accommodate so as they're out of the way.  I don't think it
>> will
>> > >>> negatively affect the aesthetics, but I'm still a bit on the fence
>> on
>> > >> that
>> > >>> claim.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> That looks like a good resource, Jonathan, I appreciate you
>> pointing me
>> > >>> there.  I do indeed plan on staying in Seabrook (well, I'm
>> technically
>> > >>> moving it to Kemah, TX - but only about 1.5 Kilometers away, as the
>> > crow
>> > >>> flies.  I likely will change the name in the near future and will
>> let
>> > you
>> > >>> know if and when that happens, thanks again.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -ry
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jonathan Bresler <
>> > 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Ryan,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Welcome aboard!
>> > >>>> Congratulations on getting #555.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Janus is an Alberg 30 with an arch.
>> > >>>> Some information and photos at http://sailingseafari.blogspot.com/
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Will you be keeping the boat in Seabrook Texas?
>> > >>>> Do you plan on changing the name?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best wishes,
>> > >>>> Jonathan
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:07 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>> > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Welcome aboard?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Why would you want to put an arch on an Alberg 30?
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Gordon Laco
>> > >>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>> > >>>>> 426 Surprise
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Ryan Young via Public-List <
>> > >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> :) I should have mentioned I'm an excited new A30 owner!
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:21 PM Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> By the way, I've sold my boat everyone! 555 now belongs to Ryan
>> > >> Young.
>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for all your help and advice!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:52 PM Ryan Young via Public-List <
>> > >>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Hello folks!
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> I was curious if anyone has gone down the route of installing a
>> > >>>>> stern sail
>> > >>>>>>>> arch?  I'm not sure of the narrowness has a big impact.  Do
>> folks
>> > >> get
>> > >>>>>>>> these
>> > >>>>>>>> custom fabricated generally?  Does anyone have any resources
>> for
>> > >>>>> kits?
>> > >>>>>>>> I'm
>> > >>>>>>>> hoping to mount a few rigid solar panels and I think this is
>> the
>> > >> best
>> > >>>>>>>> route
>> > >>>>>>>> but open to what other folks have done.  Ideally I'd like to
>> get
>> > >> 300
>> > >>>>> Watts
>> > >>>>>>>> total at the least.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> -ry
>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>> > >>>>>>>> Please support them.
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>> > >>>>>>>>
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>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>> -Ryan Kiefer
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>> > >>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>> > >>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Jonathan M Bresler
>> > >> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>> > >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > -Ryan Kiefer
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>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:04:48 -0400
>> > From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
>> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] sail arch
>> > Message-ID:
>> >         <CAHEe8Tstjnvuzvw5o0iN=
>> > d4Vrt6Xy--yPOQQEvY+UJ_A5Pvf7Q at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > Marcelo,
>> >
>> > Please let us know how the install of th 50W panel on the stern pulpit
>> > goes.
>> > Have often allowed my mind to wander a bit on that very idea.
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:10 AM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
>> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ryan,
>> > > Congratulations on acquiring 555 !  I am in New Orleans and actually
>> met
>> > > George Copeland, the fellow that brought 555 down from N.C back in
>> 2008.
>> > I
>> > > purchased the boat he was selling at the time, a Pearson Ariel that
>> was
>> > in
>> > > a slip close to 555 which he showed off after an extensive refit. I
>> think
>> > > your boat?s name then was Atalanta.
>> > > I sold the Ariel before purchasing my A30 in 2017.
>> > > I am actually in the process of installing a 50w solar panel on the
>> stern
>> > > pulpit for keeping the batteries charged in the slip and a little
>> extra
>> > > when sailing. As was mentioned  by Jonathan, James Baldwin has great
>> > > details on installing solar panels on tracking poles.
>> > > Welcome!
>> > > Marcelo Gentinetta
>> > > #441  Alegria
>> > >
>> > > > On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Ryan via Public-List <
>> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ryan,
>> > > >
>> > > > This pole-with-solar option was done on Dolce with two poles on the
>> > aft.
>> > > > You can see a lot of videos of Dolce on her recent pacific voyages
>> on
>> > the
>> > > > youtube channel Routes of Change.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:24 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Ryan,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Another option for solar is a pole with a single panel centered on
>> the
>> > > top
>> > > >> of the pole with a ball joint.
>> > > >> The ball joint allows the panel to be angled to catch the most sun,
>> > > letting
>> > > >> you reposition (re-angle)
>> > > >> the panel every couple hours.   You might mount a pole on each side
>> > aft.
>> > > >> Lora, Jason Jernigan's boat,
>> > > >> redone by James Baldwin (
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/user/atomvoyager/videos)
>> > > >> has this option.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Look forward to hearing about how you and the boat are doing over
>> > time.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Jonathan
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:04 PM Ryan Young <ryoung at spiderhop.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> Thanks for the warm welcomes Jonathan and Gordon!  Gordon - I'd
>> like
>> > to
>> > > >>> throw a few rigid solar panels up, and thought an arch would be
>> the
>> > > best
>> > > >>> way to accommodate so as they're out of the way.  I don't think it
>> > will
>> > > >>> negatively affect the aesthetics, but I'm still a bit on the
>> fence on
>> > > >> that
>> > > >>> claim.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> That looks like a good resource, Jonathan, I appreciate you
>> pointing
>> > me
>> > > >>> there.  I do indeed plan on staying in Seabrook (well, I'm
>> > technically
>> > > >>> moving it to Kemah, TX - but only about 1.5 Kilometers away, as
>> the
>> > > crow
>> > > >>> flies.  I likely will change the name in the near future and will
>> let
>> > > you
>> > > >>> know if and when that happens, thanks again.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> -ry
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jonathan Bresler <
>> > > 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Ryan,
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Welcome aboard!
>> > > >>>> Congratulations on getting #555.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Janus is an Alberg 30 with an arch.
>> > > >>>> Some information and photos at
>> http://sailingseafari.blogspot.com/
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Will you be keeping the boat in Seabrook Texas?
>> > > >>>> Do you plan on changing the name?
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Best wishes,
>> > > >>>> Jonathan
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:07 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
>> > > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> Welcome aboard?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Why would you want to put an arch on an Alberg 30?
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Gordon Laco
>> > > >>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>> > > >>>>> 426 Surprise
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Ryan Young via Public-List <
>> > > >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> :) I should have mentioned I'm an excited new A30 owner!
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:21 PM Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> By the way, I've sold my boat everyone! 555 now belongs to
>> Ryan
>> > > >> Young.
>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks for all your help and advice!
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:52 PM Ryan Young via Public-List <
>> > > >>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> Hello folks!
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I was curious if anyone has gone down the route of
>> installing a
>> > > >>>>> stern sail
>> > > >>>>>>>> arch?  I'm not sure of the narrowness has a big impact.  Do
>> > folks
>> > > >> get
>> > > >>>>>>>> these
>> > > >>>>>>>> custom fabricated generally?  Does anyone have any resources
>> for
>> > > >>>>> kits?
>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm
>> > > >>>>>>>> hoping to mount a few rigid solar panels and I think this is
>> the
>> > > >> best
>> > > >>>>>>>> route
>> > > >>>>>>>> but open to what other folks have done.  Ideally I'd like to
>> get
>> > > >> 300
>> > > >>>>> Watts
>> > > >>>>>>>> total at the least.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> -ry
>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> > > >>>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
>> > > >>>>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
>> > > >>>>>>>> Please support them.
>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> > > >>>>>>>> Public-List mailing list
>> > > >>>>>>>> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>> -Ryan Kiefer
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>> > > >>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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>> > > >>>>>> Please support them.
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>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> --
>> > > >>>> Jonathan M Bresler
>> > > >>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>> > > >>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Jonathan M Bresler
>> > > >> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>> > > >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
>> > > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > -Ryan Kiefer
>> > > > _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Jonathan M Bresler
>> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
>> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:23:54 -0400
>> > From: John Maliszewski <vzjrmalis at gmail.com>
>> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org, 262alberg30 at gmail.com
>> > Subject: [Public-List] Gooseneck track repair and replacement
>> > Message-ID:
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>> >
>> > Jonathan, you should be happy that this particular problem on your boat
>> > (#262) had been solved a long time ago. The piece of teak or whatever
>> > Whitby used as the track spacer had been replaced with a piece of naval
>> > brass machined to size. This peculiar Whitby construction formed a less
>> > expensive "T" and served its purpose for many years. In this case, after
>> > creating a brass spacer machined to size with clearance holes, I simply
>> > shifted the hole pattern by half of the pitch of the existing holes on
>> the
>> > mast, and drilled and tapped a new set of mounting holes. The mast cross
>> > section thickness of the flat section of the mast is .167 inches and the
>> > inside flat measures 1.700 inches. ( I will ask George D. to publish a
>> > dimensioned cross section drawing of the mast on the A30 website.)
>> > Given 1/4 -20 thread screws that should give a full three
>> > treads engagement in the flat portion of the mast. Introducing a new
>> backup
>> > plate is more trouble than it is worth.
>> > The original problem is that the wooden spacer deteriorates over time
>> and
>> > allows the rail portion of the "T" to move and even perhaps become
>> > completely loose. Loose state of this engagement point reduces
>> considerably
>> > the strength of the gooseneck assembly mounting, especially during the
>> > accidental jibes, and leads to broken screws or compromised treads in
>> the
>> > mounting holes.
>> >
>> > John Maliszewski
>> >
>> >
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