[Public-List] sail arch

Fri Jul 31 12:20:04 PDT 2020

I have #449 (formerly "Janus", now "Seeing Deep") that was referred to in
the email chain.  Let me know if you want some pictures of the "arch"
behind the backstay.  I like the setup a lot as it provides a nice bimini
for shade as well as a place for the solar panel that is out of the way.

Clay Pass
#449 Seeing Deep

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM Ryan Young via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> >
> > All great info - the solar on poles look quite clean and seem to work out
> > well on Dolce.  I'd be interested in your pulpit solution as well,
> Marcel,
> > do share the end result, I'd love to see it and hear how it's working out
> > for you
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:07:26 -0500
> > From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] sail arch
> > Message-ID: <371BE613-11EE-4861-931D-B74AA0509B89 at cox.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8
> >
> > Ryan,
> > Congratulations on acquiring 555 !  I am in New Orleans and actually met
> > George Copeland, the fellow that brought 555 down from N.C back in 2008.
> I
> > purchased the boat he was selling at the time, a Pearson Ariel that was
> in
> > a slip close to 555 which he showed off after an extensive refit. I think
> > your boat?s name then was Atalanta.
> > I sold the Ariel before purchasing my A30 in 2017.
> > I am actually in the process of installing a 50w solar panel on the stern
> > pulpit for keeping the batteries charged in the slip and a little extra
> > when sailing. As was mentioned  by Jonathan, James Baldwin has great
> > details on installing solar panels on tracking poles.
> > Welcome!
> > Marcelo Gentinetta
> > #441  Alegria
> >
> > > On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Ryan via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ryan,
> > >
> > > This pole-with-solar option was done on Dolce with two poles on the
> aft.
> > > You can see a lot of videos of Dolce on her recent pacific voyages on
> the
> > > youtube channel Routes of Change.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:24 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ryan,
> > >>
> > >> Another option for solar is a pole with a single panel centered on the
> > top
> > >> of the pole with a ball joint.
> > >> The ball joint allows the panel to be angled to catch the most sun,
> > letting
> > >> you reposition (re-angle)
> > >> the panel every couple hours.   You might mount a pole on each side
> aft.
> > >> Lora, Jason Jernigan's boat,
> > >> redone by James Baldwin (
> > https://www.youtube.com/user/atomvoyager/videos)
> > >> has this option.
> > >>
> > >> Look forward to hearing about how you and the boat are doing over
> time.
> > >>
> > >> Jonathan
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:04 PM Ryan Young <ryoung at spiderhop.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks for the warm welcomes Jonathan and Gordon!  Gordon - I'd like
> to
> > >>> throw a few rigid solar panels up, and thought an arch would be the
> > best
> > >>> way to accommodate so as they're out of the way.  I don't think it
> will
> > >>> negatively affect the aesthetics, but I'm still a bit on the fence on
> > >> that
> > >>> claim.
> > >>>
> > >>> That looks like a good resource, Jonathan, I appreciate you pointing
> me
> > >>> there.  I do indeed plan on staying in Seabrook (well, I'm
> technically
> > >>> moving it to Kemah, TX - but only about 1.5 Kilometers away, as the
> > crow
> > >>> flies.  I likely will change the name in the near future and will let
> > you
> > >>> know if and when that happens, thanks again.
> > >>>
> > >>> -ry
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jonathan Bresler <
> > 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Ryan,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Welcome aboard!
> > >>>> Congratulations on getting #555.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Janus is an Alberg 30 with an arch.
> > >>>> Some information and photos at http://sailingseafari.blogspot.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Will you be keeping the boat in Seabrook Texas?
> > >>>> Do you plan on changing the name?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best wishes,
> > >>>> Jonathan
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:07 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Welcome aboard?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Why would you want to put an arch on an Alberg 30?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Gordon Laco
> > >>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
> > >>>>> 426 Surprise
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Ryan Young via Public-List <
> > >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> :) I should have mentioned I'm an excited new A30 owner!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:21 PM Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> By the way, I've sold my boat everyone! 555 now belongs to Ryan
> > >> Young.
> > >>>>>>> Thanks for all your help and advice!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:52 PM Ryan Young via Public-List <
> > >>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hello folks!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I was curious if anyone has gone down the route of installing a
> > >>>>> stern sail
> > >>>>>>>> arch?  I'm not sure of the narrowness has a big impact.  Do
> folks
> > >> get
> > >>>>>>>> these
> > >>>>>>>> custom fabricated generally?  Does anyone have any resources for
> > >>>>> kits?
> > >>>>>>>> I'm
> > >>>>>>>> hoping to mount a few rigid solar panels and I think this is the
> > >> best
> > >>>>>>>> route
> > >>>>>>>> but open to what other folks have done.  Ideally I'd like to get
> > >> 300
> > >>>>> Watts
> > >>>>>>>> total at the least.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> -ry
> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> -Ryan Kiefer
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Jonathan M Bresler
> > >>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > >>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jonathan M Bresler
> > >> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Ryan Kiefer
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:04:48 -0400
> > From: Jonathan Bresler <262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >         <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Public-List] sail arch
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Marcelo,
> >
> > Please let us know how the install of th 50W panel on the stern pulpit
> > goes.
> > Have often allowed my mind to wander a bit on that very idea.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:10 AM Marcelo D. Gentinetta via Public-List <
> > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Ryan,
> > > Congratulations on acquiring 555 !  I am in New Orleans and actually
> met
> > > George Copeland, the fellow that brought 555 down from N.C back in
> 2008.
> > I
> > > purchased the boat he was selling at the time, a Pearson Ariel that was
> > in
> > > a slip close to 555 which he showed off after an extensive refit. I
> think
> > > your boat?s name then was Atalanta.
> > > I sold the Ariel before purchasing my A30 in 2017.
> > > I am actually in the process of installing a 50w solar panel on the
> stern
> > > pulpit for keeping the batteries charged in the slip and a little extra
> > > when sailing. As was mentioned  by Jonathan, James Baldwin has great
> > > details on installing solar panels on tracking poles.
> > > Welcome!
> > > Marcelo Gentinetta
> > > #441  Alegria
> > >
> > > > On Jul 29, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Ryan via Public-List <
> > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ryan,
> > > >
> > > > This pole-with-solar option was done on Dolce with two poles on the
> > aft.
> > > > You can see a lot of videos of Dolce on her recent pacific voyages on
> > the
> > > > youtube channel Routes of Change.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:24 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> > > > public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ryan,
> > > >>
> > > >> Another option for solar is a pole with a single panel centered on
> the
> > > top
> > > >> of the pole with a ball joint.
> > > >> The ball joint allows the panel to be angled to catch the most sun,
> > > letting
> > > >> you reposition (re-angle)
> > > >> the panel every couple hours.   You might mount a pole on each side
> > aft.
> > > >> Lora, Jason Jernigan's boat,
> > > >> redone by James Baldwin (
> > > https://www.youtube.com/user/atomvoyager/videos)
> > > >> has this option.
> > > >>
> > > >> Look forward to hearing about how you and the boat are doing over
> > time.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jonathan
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 9:04 PM Ryan Young <ryoung at spiderhop.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thanks for the warm welcomes Jonathan and Gordon!  Gordon - I'd
> like
> > to
> > > >>> throw a few rigid solar panels up, and thought an arch would be the
> > > best
> > > >>> way to accommodate so as they're out of the way.  I don't think it
> > will
> > > >>> negatively affect the aesthetics, but I'm still a bit on the fence
> on
> > > >> that
> > > >>> claim.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That looks like a good resource, Jonathan, I appreciate you
> pointing
> > me
> > > >>> there.  I do indeed plan on staying in Seabrook (well, I'm
> > technically
> > > >>> moving it to Kemah, TX - but only about 1.5 Kilometers away, as the
> > > crow
> > > >>> flies.  I likely will change the name in the near future and will
> let
> > > you
> > > >>> know if and when that happens, thanks again.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -ry
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jonathan Bresler <
> > > 262alberg30 at gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Ryan,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Welcome aboard!
> > > >>>> Congratulations on getting #555.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Janus is an Alberg 30 with an arch.
> > > >>>> Some information and photos at
> http://sailingseafari.blogspot.com/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Will you be keeping the boat in Seabrook Texas?
> > > >>>> Do you plan on changing the name?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Best wishes,
> > > >>>> Jonathan
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:07 PM Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> > > >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Welcome aboard?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Why would you want to put an arch on an Alberg 30?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Gordon Laco
> > > >>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
> > > >>>>> 426 Surprise
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Ryan Young via Public-List <
> > > >>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> :) I should have mentioned I'm an excited new A30 owner!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:21 PM Ryan <rnkiefer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> By the way, I've sold my boat everyone! 555 now belongs to Ryan
> > > >> Young.
> > > >>>>>>> Thanks for all your help and advice!
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 4:52 PM Ryan Young via Public-List <
> > > >>>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hello folks!
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I was curious if anyone has gone down the route of installing
> a
> > > >>>>> stern sail
> > > >>>>>>>> arch?  I'm not sure of the narrowness has a big impact.  Do
> > folks
> > > >> get
> > > >>>>>>>> these
> > > >>>>>>>> custom fabricated generally?  Does anyone have any resources
> for
> > > >>>>> kits?
> > > >>>>>>>> I'm
> > > >>>>>>>> hoping to mount a few rigid solar panels and I think this is
> the
> > > >> best
> > > >>>>>>>> route
> > > >>>>>>>> but open to what other folks have done.  Ideally I'd like to
> get
> > > >> 300
> > > >>>>> Watts
> > > >>>>>>>> total at the least.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> -ry
> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
> > > >>>>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > >>>>>>>> Please support them.
> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>>>>>> Public-List mailing list
> > > >>>>>>>> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> > > >>>>>>>>
> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> -Ryan Kiefer
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>>>> These businesses support your Association:
> > > >>>>>> http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> > > >>>>>> Please support them.
> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > > >>>>>> Public-List at lists.alberg30.org
> > > >>>>>> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>>> These businesses support your Association:
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> > > >>>>> Please support them.
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> > > >>>>> http://lists.alberg30.org/listinfo.cgi/public-list-alberg30.org
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Jonathan M Bresler
> > > >>>> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > > >>>> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Jonathan M Bresler
> > > >> S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > > >> Annapolis/Eastport MD
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> These businesses support your Association:
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> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -Ryan Kiefer
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan M Bresler
> > S/V Constance Alberg 30 #262
> > Annapolis/Eastport MD
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:23:54 -0400
> > From: John Maliszewski <vzjrmalis at gmail.com>
> > To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org, 262alberg30 at gmail.com
> > Subject: [Public-List] Gooseneck track repair and replacement
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> >
> > Jonathan, you should be happy that this particular problem on your boat
> > (#262) had been solved a long time ago. The piece of teak or whatever
> > Whitby used as the track spacer had been replaced with a piece of naval
> > brass machined to size. This peculiar Whitby construction formed a less
> > expensive "T" and served its purpose for many years. In this case, after
> > creating a brass spacer machined to size with clearance holes, I simply
> > shifted the hole pattern by half of the pitch of the existing holes on
> the
> > mast, and drilled and tapped a new set of mounting holes. The mast cross
> > section thickness of the flat section of the mast is .167 inches and the
> > inside flat measures 1.700 inches. ( I will ask George D. to publish a
> > dimensioned cross section drawing of the mast on the A30 website.)
> > Given 1/4 -20 thread screws that should give a full three
> > treads engagement in the flat portion of the mast. Introducing a new
> backup
> > plate is more trouble than it is worth.
> > The original problem is that the wooden spacer deteriorates over time and
> > allows the rail portion of the "T" to move and even perhaps become
> > completely loose. Loose state of this engagement point reduces
> considerably
> > the strength of the gooseneck assembly mounting, especially during the
> > accidental jibes, and leads to broken screws or compromised treads in the
> > mounting holes.
> >
> > John Maliszewski
> >
> >
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