[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4028, Issue 1
Daniel Swords
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Mon Jun 29 06:16:37 PDT 2020
I have an aluminum Bomar access hatch in my cockpit floor and I am very happy with it. My cockpit floor had been replaced by the previous owner due to rot. If I ever have to replace it again I would try to make the entire floor (or at least most of it) “removable” (bolted or screwed to a frame). But I don’t plan to round Cape Horn, sail the Southern Ocean or the North Atlantic.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Access hatch for cockpit (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
2. Re: Access hatch for cockpit (Don Campbell)
3. Re: Access hatch for cockpit (Winslow Ayer)
4. Re: Access hatch for cockpit (Mike Meinhold)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 17:56:56 -0500
From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
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Hi Americo,
>From what I have personally researched, the only safe, leak proof rectangular hatch is made of aluminum by Bomar. Hamilton Marine carries them and as you will see are very expensive. From experience on another boat I owned, the plastic ones all leak after a year or two.
Take care,
Marcelo
441 Alegr?a
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Americo -
>
> I would suggest that as Don says below, compromising the safety of the yacht for convenience of access which would only rarely be used is probably not wise.
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
> 426 Surprise
>
>
>
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, americo silva via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> i am contemplating doing like the Albin Vega and making a big Hatch Cover
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:04 PM John Brugeman via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a good hedge that I never installed on 306 I mean 305. It?s brand
>>> new still in the box. When I get home Monday I can send you a picture and
>>> give me the size if you?re interested.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?It is not just about watertight. It is also about the design for
>>> watertight if the boat is hit by a wave and the cockpit filled with water.
>>> That includes significant weight in the cockpit and in the boat. It will
>>> change the buoyancy of the hull and if that mass leaks into the hull, it
>>> will significantly hinder the ability to recover and manoever that
>>> waterlogged hull. The round access fitting is to allow for a wheel
>>> pedestal and access for those cable controls. Sometimes what you would like
>>> and what is safe in all circustances is not the same thing. For the number
>>> of times one accesses the stuffing box and drive shaft, one can go over the
>>> motor, or if things require major work, take the motor out. It takes me
>>> about an hour and a half to remove the motor and about 2 1/2 hours to put
>>> it back in and realign it. Safety is the main thing here and if the boat is
>>> compromised by adding access hatches, then the resale value is much less.
>>> There are times when one needs to appreciate the expertise involved in
>>> design and then respect that the designer has done things with reason and
>>> for safety in all conditions.
>>>> Don Campbell
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: 2020-06-27 9:51:46 AM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know of a good watertight access hatch to replace the small one
>>> in the sole of the cockpit? Would like easier access to the drive shaft and
>>> stuffing box. I can reach but not really do a lot without help from the
>>> engine side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Winslow
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 01:54:47 +0000
From: "Don Campbell" <dk.campbell at xplornet.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
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Hi Winslow:
You will find that whatever you do to access the stuffing box area,
you will have that trouble of good grasp and leverage.. It will always
be difficult to get two arms in through any opening with any ability to
see as well. And then you will need to have some sort of wrench to help
to get the tension you want on the stuffing box threads so it leaks by
the droplet if you use conventional flax. I found that two small pipe
wrenches could work over the motor. And it you do not like 4 spark plug
indentations on your sternum, you can remove those, but have them
numbered so you get the firing order correct. You could also make flat
wrenches out of 1/8 steel to fit the nuts on the stuffing box, or you
may find some like that that would do in plumbing hardware that
plumbers use for working on traps. I think in the end, you will have
more leverage more easily by going over the motor than one handing it
through access from the lateral lockers. If you do the lateral locker
modification, and get into the locker to "see what you are doing" make
very sure you tie up the lid extra securely before you get in and block
off any way the hasp can catch if the lid closes. Otherwise , you are
trapped in that locker and Safety First is the motto!!
I have been in both the lateral lockers and the lazarette, and none
is very comfortable, or easy to manoeuver in, or easy to get out from,
especially if you are of any size over 6 feet tall.
Don
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>The big problem I have is loosening and tightening the stuffing box nut. Just can?t get a good grasp and the leverage.
>
>Winslow
>#283 Tinkers Damn
>
>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, americo silva via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> i am contemplating doing like the Albin Vega and making a big Hatch Cover
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:04 PM John Brugeman via Public-List <
>>public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a good hedge that I never installed on 306 I mean 305. It?s brand
>>> new still in the box. When I get home Monday I can send you a picture and
>>> give me the size if you?re interested.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
>>>public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?It is not just about watertight. It is also about the design for
>>> watertight if the boat is hit by a wave and the cockpit filled with water.
>>> That includes significant weight in the cockpit and in the boat. It will
>>> change the buoyancy of the hull and if that mass leaks into the hull, it
>>> will significantly hinder the ability to recover and manoever that
>>> waterlogged hull. The round access fitting is to allow for a wheel
>>> pedestal and access for those cable controls. Sometimes what you would like
>>> and what is safe in all circustances is not the same thing. For the number
>>> of times one accesses the stuffing box and drive shaft, one can go over the
>>> motor, or if things require major work, take the motor out. It takes me
>>> about an hour and a half to remove the motor and about 2 1/2 hours to put
>>> it back in and realign it. Safety is the main thing here and if the boat is
>>> compromised by adding access hatches, then the resale value is much less.
>>> There are times when one needs to appreciate the expertise involved in
>>> design and then respect that the designer has done things with reason and
>>> for safety in all conditions.
>>>> Don Campbell
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: 2020-06-27 9:51:46 AM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know of a good watertight access hatch to replace the small one
>>> in the sole of the cockpit? Would like easier access to the drive shaft and
>>> stuffing box. I can reach but not really do a lot without help from the
>>> engine side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Winslow
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 05:07:34 -0400
From: Winslow Ayer <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
To: Don Campbell <dk.campbell at xplornet.ca>, Alberg 30 Public List --
open to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
Subject: Re: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
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Thanks Don, I think I?ll leave things for now. I usually have a second (or third) hand around to help with the holding so I can loosen and tighten the nut. I just won?t be able to do it by myself. I?m 6? and getting into the locker doesn?t sound like fun. I can usually muddle my way over the engine but I was hoping someone had a decent alternative.
Stay well, be safe and happy sailing,
Winslow
#283 Tinkers Damn
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:54 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Winslow:
> You will find that whatever you do to access the stuffing box area, you will have that trouble of good grasp and leverage.. It will always be difficult to get two arms in through any opening with any ability to see as well. And then you will need to have some sort of wrench to help to get the tension you want on the stuffing box threads so it leaks by the droplet if you use conventional flax. I found that two small pipe wrenches could work over the motor. And it you do not like 4 spark plug indentations on your sternum, you can remove those, but have them numbered so you get the firing order correct. You could also make flat wrenches out of 1/8 steel to fit the nuts on the stuffing box, or you may find some like that that would do in plumbing hardware that plumbers use for working on traps. I think in the end, you will have more leverage more easily by going over the motor than one handing it through access from the lateral lockers. If you do the lateral locker modification,
and get into the locker to "see what you are doing" make very sure you tie up the lid extra securely before you get in and block off any way the hasp can catch if the lid closes. Otherwise , you are trapped in that locker and Safety First is the motto!!
> I have been in both the lateral lockers and the lazarette, and none is very comfortable, or easy to manoeuver in, or easy to get out from, especially if you are of any size over 6 feet tall.
> Don
>
>
> Original Message ------
> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
> Sent: 2020-06-28 9:55:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>
>> The big problem I have is loosening and tightening the stuffing box nut. Just can?t get a good grasp and the leverage.
>>
>> Winslow
>> #283 Tinkers Damn
>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, americo silva via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> i am contemplating doing like the Albin Vega and making a big Hatch Cover
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:04 PM John Brugeman via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a good hedge that I never installed on 306 I mean 305. It?s brand
>>>> new still in the box. When I get home Monday I can send you a picture and
>>>> give me the size if you?re interested.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?It is not just about watertight. It is also about the design for
>>>> watertight if the boat is hit by a wave and the cockpit filled with water.
>>>> That includes significant weight in the cockpit and in the boat. It will
>>>> change the buoyancy of the hull and if that mass leaks into the hull, it
>>>> will significantly hinder the ability to recover and manoever that
>>>> waterlogged hull. The round access fitting is to allow for a wheel
>>>> pedestal and access for those cable controls. Sometimes what you would like
>>>> and what is safe in all circustances is not the same thing. For the number
>>>> of times one accesses the stuffing box and drive shaft, one can go over the
>>>> motor, or if things require major work, take the motor out. It takes me
>>>> about an hour and a half to remove the motor and about 2 1/2 hours to put
>>>> it back in and realign it. Safety is the main thing here and if the boat is
>>>> compromised by adding access hatches, then the resale value is much less.
>>>> There are times when one needs to appreciate the expertise involved in
>>>> design and then respect that the designer has done things with reason and
>>>> for safety in all conditions.
>>>>> Don Campbell
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: 2020-06-27 9:51:46 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know of a good watertight access hatch to replace the small one
>>>> in the sole of the cockpit? Would like easier access to the drive shaft and
>>>> stuffing box. I can reach but not really do a lot without help from the
>>>> engine side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winslow
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 08:44:47 -0400
From: Mike Meinhold <meinhold272 at gmail.com>
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I installed hasps on the cockpit lockers with the hinge on top, so the
plate would hang over the hasp. Then I started having nightmares about
being trapped in a locker. I reversed them and sleep better. They should
be secured when sailing in any case without relying on gravity !
Mike
Rinn Duin #272
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 21:54 Don Campbell via Public-List <
public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Hi Winslow:
> You will find that whatever you do to access the stuffing box area,
> you will have that trouble of good grasp and leverage.. It will always
> be difficult to get two arms in through any opening with any ability to
> see as well. And then you will need to have some sort of wrench to help
> to get the tension you want on the stuffing box threads so it leaks by
> the droplet if you use conventional flax. I found that two small pipe
> wrenches could work over the motor. And it you do not like 4 spark plug
> indentations on your sternum, you can remove those, but have them
> numbered so you get the firing order correct. You could also make flat
> wrenches out of 1/8 steel to fit the nuts on the stuffing box, or you
> may find some like that that would do in plumbing hardware that
> plumbers use for working on traps. I think in the end, you will have
> more leverage more easily by going over the motor than one handing it
> through access from the lateral lockers. If you do the lateral locker
> modification, and get into the locker to "see what you are doing" make
> very sure you tie up the lid extra securely before you get in and block
> off any way the hasp can catch if the lid closes. Otherwise , you are
> trapped in that locker and Safety First is the motto!!
> I have been in both the lateral lockers and the lazarette, and none
> is very comfortable, or easy to manoeuver in, or easy to get out from,
> especially if you are of any size over 6 feet tall.
> Don
>
>
> Original Message ------
> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
> Sent: 2020-06-28 9:55:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>
> >The big problem I have is loosening and tightening the stuffing box nut.
> Just can?t get a good grasp and the leverage.
> >
> >Winslow
> >#283 Tinkers Damn
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, americo silva via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> i am contemplating doing like the Albin Vega and making a big Hatch
> Cover
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:04 PM John Brugeman via Public-List <
> >>public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a good hedge that I never installed on 306 I mean 305. It?s
> brand
> >>> new still in the box. When I get home Monday I can send you a picture
> and
> >>> give me the size if you?re interested.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
> >>>public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?It is not just about watertight. It is also about the design for
> >>> watertight if the boat is hit by a wave and the cockpit filled with
> water.
> >>> That includes significant weight in the cockpit and in the boat. It
> will
> >>> change the buoyancy of the hull and if that mass leaks into the hull,
> it
> >>> will significantly hinder the ability to recover and manoever that
> >>> waterlogged hull. The round access fitting is to allow for a wheel
> >>> pedestal and access for those cable controls. Sometimes what you
> would like
> >>> and what is safe in all circustances is not the same thing. For the
> number
> >>> of times one accesses the stuffing box and drive shaft, one can go
> over the
> >>> motor, or if things require major work, take the motor out. It takes
> me
> >>> about an hour and a half to remove the motor and about 2 1/2 hours to
> put
> >>> it back in and realign it. Safety is the main thing here and if the
> boat is
> >>> compromised by adding access hatches, then the resale value is much
> less.
> >>> There are times when one needs to appreciate the expertise involved in
> >>> design and then respect that the designer has done things with reason
> and
> >>> for safety in all conditions.
> >>>> Don Campbell
> >>>>
> >>>> ------ Original Message ------
> >>>> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >
> >>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
> >>>> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
> >>>> Sent: 2020-06-27 9:51:46 AM
> >>>> Subject: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
> >>>>
> >>>>> Anyone know of a good watertight access hatch to replace the small
> one
> >>> in the sole of the cockpit? Would like easier access to the drive
> shaft and
> >>> stuffing box. I can reach but not really do a lot without help from
> the
> >>> engine side.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Winslow
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> These businesses support your Association:
> >>>>>http://www.alberg30.org/store/A30supporters.html
> >>>>> Please support them.
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