[Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit

Mon Jun 29 06:44:28 PDT 2020

Hey folks,
Never been locked in a closed space like that but I have fallen into a tree well skiing and had to be helped out. No fun. My hatches don’t have locks as I don’t keep sails in them but it doesn’t sound like it is any better having access to the aft end of the engine through there.

Winslow

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Mike Meinhold via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> 
> I installed hasps on the cockpit lockers with the hinge on top, so the
> plate would hang over the hasp.   Then I started having nightmares about
> being trapped in a locker.  I reversed them and sleep better. They should
> be secured when sailing in any case without relying on gravity !
> 
> Mike
> Rinn Duin #272
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 21:54 Don Campbell via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Winslow:
>>     You will find that whatever you do to access the stuffing box area,
>> you will have that trouble of good grasp and leverage.. It will always
>> be difficult to get two arms in through any opening with any ability to
>> see as well. And then you will need to have some sort of wrench to help
>> to get the tension you want on the stuffing box threads so it leaks by
>> the droplet if you use conventional flax. I found that two small pipe
>> wrenches could work over the motor. And it you do not like 4 spark plug
>> indentations on your sternum, you can remove those,  but have them
>> numbered so you get the firing order correct. You could also make flat
>> wrenches out of 1/8 steel  to fit the nuts on the stuffing box, or you
>> may find some like that that would do  in plumbing hardware that
>> plumbers use for working on traps. I think in the end, you will have
>> more leverage more easily  by going over the motor than one handing it
>> through access from the lateral lockers. If you do the lateral locker
>> modification, and get into the locker to "see what you are doing" make
>> very sure you tie up the lid extra securely before you get in and block
>> off any way the hasp can catch if  the lid closes. Otherwise , you are
>> trapped in that locker and Safety First is the motto!!
>>     I have been in both the lateral lockers and the lazarette, and none
>> is very comfortable, or easy to manoeuver in,  or easy to get out from,
>> especially if you are of any size over 6 feet tall.
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> Original Message ------
>> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
>> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 2020-06-28 9:55:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>> 
>>> The big problem I have is loosening and tightening the stuffing box nut.
>> Just can’t get a good grasp and the leverage.
>>> 
>>> Winslow
>>> #283 Tinkers Damn
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, americo silva via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> i am contemplating doing like the Albin Vega and making a big Hatch
>> Cover
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:04 PM John Brugeman via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have a good hedge that I never installed on 306 I mean 305. It’s
>> brand
>>>>> new still in the box. When I get home Monday I can send you a picture
>> and
>>>>> give me the size if you’re interested.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Don Campbell via Public-List <
>>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is not just about watertight. It is also about the design for
>>>>> watertight if the boat is hit by a wave and the cockpit filled with
>> water.
>>>>> That includes significant weight in the cockpit and in the boat. It
>> will
>>>>> change the buoyancy of the hull and if that mass leaks into the hull,
>> it
>>>>> will significantly hinder the ability to recover and manoever that
>>>>> waterlogged hull.  The round access fitting  is to allow for a wheel
>>>>> pedestal and access for those cable controls. Sometimes what you
>> would like
>>>>> and what is safe in all circustances is not the same thing.  For the
>> number
>>>>> of times one accesses the stuffing box and drive shaft, one can go
>> over the
>>>>> motor, or if things require major work, take the motor out. It takes
>> me
>>>>> about an hour and a half to remove the motor and about 2 1/2 hours to
>> put
>>>>> it back in and realign it. Safety is the main thing here and if the
>> boat is
>>>>> compromised by adding access hatches, then the resale value is much
>> less.
>>>>> There are times when one needs to appreciate the expertise involved in
>>>>> design and then respect that the designer has done things with reason
>> and
>>>>> for safety in all conditions.
>>>>>> Don Campbell
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>>> From: "Winslow Ayer via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> 
>>>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>>> Cc: "Winslow Ayer" <135sleddinghill at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: 2020-06-27 9:51:46 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Access hatch for cockpit
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyone know of a good watertight access hatch to replace the small
>> one
>>>>> in the sole of the cockpit? Would like easier access to the drive
>> shaft and
>>>>> stuffing box. I can reach but not really do a lot without help from
>> the
>>>>> engine side.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Winslow
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