[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4158, Issue 1
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Thu Apr 22 07:01:48 PDT 2021
And aboard SURPRISE, I found the car on the port side has a screw down retainer… on the starboard side a spring loaded one.
I think they were just slamming whatever came to hand on the boats as they came down the line one-a-week…
On the subject of pointing, I’ve found a new headsail helped, but things aren’t stellar in that department unless it’s blowing the dog off the chain and we’re using the blade jib sheeted to the inside Folkboat-style tracks. Then we go upwind like a Soling (or a Folkboat) but we can’t do that with a genoa.
I reckon Alberg didn’t care so much about that because in a One-Design fleet if all the boats suffer the same issue, then it’s not a problem. Like the iron vs lead ballast story.
Daniel, nice talking with you just now!
Gordon Laco
www.gordonlaco.com
426 Surprise
> On Apr 22, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Daniel Swords via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> Here is a possibly funny story: I bought my 1973 Alberg 30 in 2015 so it was 42 years old already. The starboard jib sheet track worked just fine but the port jib sheet track car would never stay in place. The spring loaded pin would not stay in the track hole selected in a hard blow, even if I tried tapping it into the selected hole with a hammer. I assumed it was a problem with the pin and was preparing to purchase a replacement track car until after very close examination I noticed that the holes on my port track were smaller (5/16” dia) than the holes on the starboard track (3/8” dia). Drilling out the port track holes fixed the problem. I haven’t conceived how the error could have occurred but existed for decades.
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> 1. Re: Twings and In-haulers (Don Campbell)
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> 3. Re: Twings and In-haulers (Mike Meinhold)
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> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 03:06:00 +0000
> From: "Don Campbell" <dk.campbell at xplornet.ca>
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> The question I always ask is whether Carl Alberg would have rigged this
> boat with ...... rings in this case. Since this boat is an adaptation
> from North Sea sailing, I doubt it, and I think he would now use self
> tailing winches too. I suggest that he would use a track with a possible
> adjustment block on the ends now that they are commonly available, and
> that makes for safer and easier sail trim in wicked conditions on a day
> with a blow on the North Sea.
> As for racing against a boat rigged with rings, any day, but those
> days are in the past for me now.
> Don
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> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List" <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
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> Cc: "Gordon Laco" <mainstay at csolve.net>; "Greg Roberts"
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> Sent: 2021-04-21 9:45:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
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>> Haha, yes, and probably clobber a boat festooned with simplified rigging that actually complicates it? and spoils the practicality of the vessel. A mantra I have learned in my career as a yacht outfitter is that if people knew how well yachts USED to sail, they wouldn?t be so eager to latch onto shortcuts and go-fast gadgets?
>>
>> Please feel free to borrow the ear thing? just make sure you get the arms and ears straight before you say it? not like me. It?s a lot easier in a meeting when you can do it than write it off the cuff? haha
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
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>>> On Apr 21, 2021, at 9:33 PM, Greg Roberts via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don, Gordon,As always, thank you for your input! I am going to play
>>> with the rings but I do agree that reinstalling the track is a good
>>> idea. I do have to ask, in good fun... Is it fair to say that both of
>>> you gentlemen would happily race against one our boats rigged with
>>> twings, in-hauls, etc?
>>> A more serious question: My tracks are the original strap of stainless
>>> bolted down on a strip of 3/8" thick wood. I know of one boat that has
>>> switched to Delrin for the spacer. Have folks tried any other
>>> materials with good results? I actually like the stainless since my
>>> cars are stainless so I don't want to switch to aluminum T track.
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg
>>> P.S. Gordon, I may have borrow that ear bit. I've had to explain to
>>> way too many clients why the approach they want us to take might not
>>> be the best way to spend their money...
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:20:27 -0400
>>> From: Gordon Laco
>>> To: Don Campbell , Alberg 30 Public List --
>>> open to all
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
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>>> I used to know a Hungarian fellow who was an engineer? when we were
>>> discussing rigging issues for the brigantines I operated, sometimes in
>>> meetings he?d catch my eye across the table, and slowly reach his
>>> right arm over his head and in a theatrical way scratch his right ear.
>>>
>>> After the meeting at which he first did that, I asked him what it was
>>> all about.
>>>
>>> He said (imagine a Hungarian accent) Gord, the correct manner which
>>> one should scratch ones right ear is like this (he scratched he right
>>> ear with his right hand) Those fellows are trying to do it like this
>>> (reaches over his head again.)
>>>
>>> Sometimes the traditional way is the best way?particularly with
>>> rigging.
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> 426 Surprise
>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Greg:
>>>> If you change to the rings etc. you will no longer have a one
>>> design boat, and knowing what most traditional sailors know about
>>> sailing, they will find the rings more difficult to sail with than an
>>> adjustable track car. That system does not allow for easy sail
>>> adjustment short of either changing ring position if you have a snap
>>> shackle attachment or rethreading the sheet, for changing wind speeds,
>>> especially if you need to either really bag the sail in lighter air
>>> or really flatten it in heavy air or adjust the car for a spinnaker or
>>> blooper twinge control line. However, teh controls and sheet placement
>>> on that class of boat as you describe it makes for a one design class
>>> as long as no one installs reacks!
>>>> If you watched any of the America's Cup, the sail adjustment was
>>> infinite but by millimeters and all on tracks or the equivalent. You
>>> cannot do that with the rings. The adjustment is from padeye to
>>> padeye. Sometimes, newer ideas are not any better than the tried and
>>> true.
>>>> But, there is nothing wrong or bad about dynema for sheets,
>>> except if your winches wear the lines, then it is expensive.
>>>> If you do go to the rings, keep the tracks for the next owner
>>> because he will probably want them for two reasons: it will still be a
>>> class one design boat and they are easier to adjust a finer sail set
>>> quickly, especially for racing.
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Greg Roberts via Public-List"
>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>> Cc: "Greg Roberts"
>>>> Sent: 2021-04-18 3:21:29 PM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,I crew on a 27' Seascape that doesn't have any tracks. It
>>>>> uses low friction rings and control lines to set the headsail
>>> sheeting
>>>>> angle. I know the concept has been around a long time but seems to
>>>>> have come back around with the low friction rings and dyneema
>>> lines.
>>>>> Has anyone tried this with our boat? I've pulled my toe rail and am
>>> in
>>>>> the process of getting ready to replace it. I wouldn't mind not
>>>>> reinstalling the track. I really like the simplicity of the
>>>>> components: lines, rings, and padeyes. I still have the original
>>>>> track, cars, and blocks so this isn't a cost question.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Greg
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:25:43 -0400
>>> From: Gordon Laco
>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
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>>> OH NO I GOT THE EARS WRONG?. PLEASE READ CORRECTED VERSON BELOW?
>>> SORRY!
>>> Gordon Laco
>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 4:20 PM, Gordon Laco via Public-List wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I used to know a Hungarian fellow who was an engineer? when we were
>>> discussing rigging issues for the brigantines I operated, sometimes in
>>> meetings he?d catch my eye across the table, and slowly reach his
>>> right arm over his head and in a theatrical way scratch his LEFT ear.
>>>>
>>>> After the meeting at which he first did that, I asked him what it
>>> was all about.
>>>>
>>>> He said (imagine a Hungarian accent) Gord, the correct manner which
>>> one should scratch ones right ear is like this (he scratched he right
>>> ear with his right hand) Those fellows are trying to do it like this
>>> (reaches over his head again with the wrong arm.)
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes the traditional way is the best way?particularly with
>>> rigging.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>> 426 Surprise
>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Don Campbell via Public-List wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Greg:
>>>>> If you change to the rings etc. you will no longer have a one
>>> design boat, and knowing what most traditional sailors know about
>>> sailing, they will find the rings more difficult to sail with than an
>>> adjustable track car. That system does not allow for easy sail
>>> adjustment short of either changing ring position if you have a snap
>>> shackle attachment or rethreading the sheet, for changing wind speeds,
>>> especially if you need to either really bag the sail in lighter air
>>> or really flatten it in heavy air or adjust the car for a spinnaker or
>>> blooper twinge control line. However, teh controls and sheet placement
>>> on that class of boat as you describe it makes for a one design class
>>> as long as no one installs reacks!
>>>>> If you watched any of the America's Cup, the sail adjustment was
>>> infinite but by millimeters and all on tracks or the equivalent. You
>>> cannot do that with the rings. The adjustment is from padeye to
>>> padeye. Sometimes, newer ideas are not any better than the tried and
>>> true.
>>>>> But, there is nothing wrong or bad about dynema for sheets,
>>> except if your winches wear the lines, then it is expensive.
>>>>> If you do go to the rings, keep the tracks for the next owner
>>> because he will probably want them for two reasons: it will still be a
>>> class one design boat and they are easier to adjust a finer sail set
>>> quickly, especially for racing.
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "Greg Roberts via Public-List"
>>>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>>>> Cc: "Greg Roberts"
>>>>> Sent: 2021-04-18 3:21:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Folks,I crew on a 27' Seascape that doesn't have any tracks. It
>>>>>> uses low friction rings and control lines to set the headsail
>>> sheeting
>>>>>> angle. I know the concept has been around a long time but seems to
>>>>>> have come back around with the low friction rings and dyneema
>>> lines.
>>>>>> Has anyone tried this with our boat? I've pulled my toe rail and
>>> am in
>>>>>> the process of getting ready to replace it. I wouldn't mind not
>>>>>> reinstalling the track. I really like the simplicity of the
>>>>>> components: lines, rings, and padeyes. I still have the original
>>>>>> track, cars, and blocks so this isn't a cost question.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Greg
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>>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:51:44 -0700
>>> From: "Greg Roberts"
>>> To: public-list at lists.alberg30.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers (Don Campbell)
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>>> Hi Folks,My email went down about an hour after I posted my question
>>> about twings and in-haulers. It was the kind of problem that causes
>>> all messages to wander off into the ether to never be seen again. As
>>> such I've missed any responses before this afternoon. I believe there
>>> is an archive but I couldn't find it. Where can I find a link to it?
>>> Don,Thanks for the thoughtful response. There isn't much of an
>>> Alberg30 one-design class here in SoCal but it never hurts to have
>>> options. :) I'll give you that it's a more complex system to adjust
>>> but it does give you three knobs to turn instead of the traditional
>>> two. And just to kick ideas around... You have the option of reducing
>>> it to the traditional system if you use a track car for anchoring the
>>> twing.
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg
>>>
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> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:59:50 -0400
> From: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>
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> Cc: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>, Greg Roberts
> <greg at midnight-oil.us>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
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> I think we?re talking about Barber Haulers (for jib and genoa sheeting) and Spinnaker Tweekers?
>
> Gordon Laco
> www.gordonlaco.com
> #426 Surprise
>
>
>
>> On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:20 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> Greg,
>> Aside from the one-design circumstance Don brought up the Lightning I crewed for used twings for the spinnaker sheet and guy. It was nice to use them to choke the chute if/when we got over powered. They were also set up on the jib sheets and used only for fine tuning or on reaches when the jib cars were set for beating. The forces are a quantum leap up on an Alberg 30 so I have no idea how effective they would be especially if there were no track cars at all on board. You might play around using them in conjunction with the original track cars, but I wouldn't employ them by themselves.
>> Michael
>>> On 04/18/2021 3:21 PM Greg Roberts via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,I crew on a 27' Seascape that doesn't have any tracks. It
>>> uses low friction rings and control lines to set the headsail sheeting
>>> angle. I know the concept has been around a long time but seems to
>>> have come back around with the low friction rings and dyneema lines.
>>> Has anyone tried this with our boat? I've pulled my toe rail and am in
>>> the process of getting ready to replace it. I wouldn't mind not
>>> reinstalling the track. I really like the simplicity of the
>>> components: lines, rings, and padeyes. I still have the original
>>> track, cars, and blocks so this isn't a cost question.
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg
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> I don?t see the need for barber haulers on an A30 . We have a relatively
> small beam so our sheeting angle for the #1 is correct on the rail. For the
> #3 upwind we have the secondary track . If you are missing this track you
> would want a twing or barber hauler but only for the Working Jib.
>
> I crewed a Beneteau 42 that used twings all over, but the deck beam was
> much larger.
> For the spinnaker it would be good to run the guy from father outboard, but
> that?s illegal.
>
> Mike
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 08:59 Gordon Laco via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>> I think we?re talking about Barber Haulers (for jib and genoa sheeting)
>> and Spinnaker Tweekers?
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>> #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:20 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Greg,
>>> Aside from the one-design circumstance Don brought up the Lightning I
>> crewed for used twings for the spinnaker sheet and guy. It was nice to use
>> them to choke the chute if/when we got over powered. They were also set up
>> on the jib sheets and used only for fine tuning or on reaches when the jib
>> cars were set for beating. The forces are a quantum leap up on an Alberg
>> 30 so I have no idea how effective they would be especially if there were
>> no track cars at all on board. You might play around using them in
>> conjunction with the original track cars, but I wouldn't employ them by
>> themselves.
>>> Michael
>>>> On 04/18/2021 3:21 PM Greg Roberts via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,I crew on a 27' Seascape that doesn't have any tracks. It
>>>> uses low friction rings and control lines to set the headsail sheeting
>>>> angle. I know the concept has been around a long time but seems to
>>>> have come back around with the low friction rings and dyneema lines.
>>>> Has anyone tried this with our boat? I've pulled my toe rail and am in
>>>> the process of getting ready to replace it. I wouldn't mind not
>>>> reinstalling the track. I really like the simplicity of the
>>>> components: lines, rings, and padeyes. I still have the original
>>>> track, cars, and blocks so this isn't a cost question.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg
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> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:29:28 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Michael Connolly <crufone at comcast.net>
> To: Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net>, Alberg 30 Public List -- open
> to all <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>
> Cc: Greg Roberts <greg at midnight-oil.us>
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Twings and In-haulers
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> Gord,
> I got my nomenclature mixed up. Actually in the States they call the spinnaker tweekers.............twigs..............at least in the Midwest where I learned.
> I sorta feel that if someone wants to make the A-30 into something else then they should buy something else. Most controls original to the A-30 are adequate for decent sail trim. Mine #133 didn't come with a main traveler, adjustable outhaul, or vang. Those additions make a difference.
> Michael
>
>> On 04/22/2021 8:59 AM Gordon Laco <mainstay at csolve.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think we?re talking about Barber Haulers (for jib and genoa sheeting) and Spinnaker Tweekers?
>>
>> Gordon Lacohttp://www.gordonlaco.com
>> #426 Surprise
>>
>>
>> > > On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:20 PM, Michael Connolly via Public-List < public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org > wrote:
>>> Greg,
>>> Aside from the one-design circumstance Don brought up the Lightning I crewed for used twings for the spinnaker sheet and guy. It was nice to use them to choke the chute if/when we got over powered. They were also set up on the jib sheets and used only for fine tuning or on reaches when the jib cars were set for beating. The forces are a quantum leap up on an Alberg 30 so I have no idea how effective they would be especially if there were no track cars at all on board. You might play around using them in conjunction with the original track cars, but I wouldn't employ them by themselves.
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> > > > On 04/18/2021 3:21 PM Greg Roberts via Public-List < public-list at lists.alberg30.org mailto:public-list at lists.alberg30.org > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,I crew on a 27' Seascape that doesn't have any tracks. It
>>>> uses low friction rings and control lines to set the headsail sheeting
>>>> angle. I know the concept has been around a long time but seems to
>>>> have come back around with the low friction rings and dyneema lines.
>>>> Has anyone tried this with our boat? I've pulled my toe rail and am in
>>>> the process of getting ready to replace it. I wouldn't mind not
>>>> reinstalling the track. I really like the simplicity of the
>>>> components: lines, rings, and padeyes. I still have the original
>>>> track, cars, and blocks so this isn't a cost question.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg
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