[Public-List] Public-List Digest, Vol 4126, Issue 1

Mon Mar 8 14:09:54 PST 2021

Thank you for the kind responses and yes there are a couple things I should clarify. I am so fortunate as to live full time on my boat with a slip on a bayou on the north shore of Lake Pontchartrain, literally less than 10 minutes from hoisting my sails on the open water of the very large lake. So I go sailing almost every day (I am sailing now using sheet-to-tiller steering) and because I am on the north shore I am able to take advantage of the fairly strong north winds after cold fronts pass through because the seas are very flat within two to three miles of the shoreline. This is an amazing situation (high winds and flat seas) that probably does not exist in many other places. If I were on the south shore of the lake I would not be sailing in these wind conditions because it would be too rough and cold. And still if I am in my slip and the wind is above or even predicted to be above about 28 knots I generally don’t head out, so when I am sailing in these higher wind ranges it is usually because I have been caught out by unfortunate circumstances (eg faulty predictions and summer squalls). Also every time I lower my mainsail when heading back in I go through the process of putting in the second reef (with the exception that I don’t completely tie up the bunt with all four nettles). This way the process of putting in a reef has become totally routine (and it helps me to better control the flogging sail while lowering it). Also this way when I first go to raise my mainsail I start with a double reefed sail and so can decide initially to leave the reef in or to shake it out. Finally I do practice “heaving-to” with a furled jib and double reefed mainsail often as I will go through this process whenever I want to fix and eat lunch or dinner without worrying about sailing or keeping a sharp lookout (boat direction can change many degrees while sheet-to-tiller steering depending on apparent wind conditions). 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Alberg 30 Sail Plan (Daniel Swords)
  2. Re: Alberg 30 Sail Plan (Michael)
  3. Re: Alberg 30 Sail Plan (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
  4. Re: Prop Size (scott at scottmaury.com)

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:50:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: Daniel Swords <danielswords at yahoo.com>
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Subject: [Public-List] Alberg 30 Sail Plan
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? ??These are just my?personal observations on my Alberg 30 (hull 525)?sail plan. I do not race or cruise in the open ocean, my wind speed estimates?are based on data from local area wind speed?sailing and weather smart phone apps, and I always sail singlehanded. So while?this works for me it may not apply to you?and I apologize in advance for the long text:? ??I switched years ago from a 150% furling genoa to a 135% and then to a 110% genoa. I found that the 150% and 135% both too quickly overpowered my boat in moderate winds (above 15 knots while?sailing close hauled) and were slow and difficult for me to tack singlehanded. Also, they didn?t work well for me in combination with a reefed mainsail and were difficult to see around while singlehanded.?? ??My 110% headsails allows me to still use the jib sheet cars on the toe rail (moved as far forward as possible) and to run the jib sheets outside of the shrouds for trimming (I don?t think the toe rail jib sheet cars would work well wi
 th a smaller 100% jib?). I am able to tack more easily and quickly singlehanded and with far less fouling of the jib sheets on the forward hatch or the halyard winches and cleats while tacking.??As a bonus I also have better visibility forward and leeward around the sail, the sail is easier to trim and much quicker and easier to furl without flogging,?especially in strong winds.?? ??But most pleasantly for me I find the 110% genoa to be much more versatile and balanced and to have less weather helm under a much broader range of wind speeds than a larger genoa. I find my boat has only a slight and pleasant weather helm under full sail when close hauled up to maybe 15 - 17 knots of wind. Between 17 - 20 knots with a single reefed mainsail my boat helm is very neutral when close hauled. And between 20 - 25 knots of wind with a double reefed mainsail and a full 110% genoa my boat has only a very slight and easily manageable lee helm. So I am able to use my fully unfurled 110% genoa in a
 ll wind conditions up to approximately 25 knots while sailing close hauled. And in all of these conditions my boat remains balanced enough that I have been very successful at setting up and using sheet-to-tiller self steering.?Between 25 - 30 knots I furl my 110% genoa about 80%. While this is not a greatly effective storm jib but?it is a reasonably flat sail and allows me to sail and to tack on a close reach in these high winds with enough control to avoid leeward hazards and to fight my way (uncomfortably) toward an upwind destination. But more importantly I also find that in these high winds if I completely furl my headsail, with a double reefed mainsail trimmed flat and the tiller lashed to leeward, my boat will fore-reach in a ?hove-to? condition (while I?go below and fix some coffee)?without fear of tacking or jibing.?

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2021 14:09:11 +0000
From: Michael <dickdurk at gmail.com>
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You did not mention what region you sail in. Not saying you are wrong, 
but a sail combination that reflects prevailing wind conditions would be 
much more satisfying.
Personally, I avoid sailing in 30 knot winds, I have been in enough 
gales and whole gales off shore to give a pass to the experience. I can 
pass because of where I sail-it's why I sail where i sail. Can I do it? 
Yes. Hank on sails allow that, I have a slab reefing working jib (100%) 
and a double reefable main.
The boat moving well in a 10-12 knot breeze is the sailing I live for, 
but then, I also do not ride roller coasters.
Michael Grosh
#220

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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 08:46:00 -0600
From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta" <vanguard64 at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [Public-List] Alberg 30 Sail Plan
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Like Daniel, we sail Lake Pontchartrain and Gulf Coast. In the fall through spring, we sail double reefed almost all the time as fronts move through and leave you with 15-20k winds to sail with. A few months ago, with gusts to 25, and just the 140, the weather helm was very excessive and tiresome. Now, the dog days of summer are a different story. Perhaps I just need a smaller ?winter? sail on the furler, something like Daniel has. 

> On Mar 8, 2021, at 8:09 AM, Michael via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
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> You did not mention what region you sail in. Not saying you are wrong, but a sail combination that reflects prevailing wind conditions would be much more satisfying.
> Personally, I avoid sailing in 30 knot winds, I have been in enough gales and whole gales off shore to give a pass to the experience. I can pass because of where I sail-it's why I sail where i sail. Can I do it? Yes. Hank on sails allow that, I have a slab reefing working jib (100%) and a double reefable main.
> The boat moving well in a 10-12 knot breeze is the sailing I live for, but then, I also do not ride roller coasters.
> Michael Grosh
> #220
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2021 10:12:30 -0600
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To Jeff Randal and any other boat owner

I have the AT4 out of the boat so any interested parties should reach  
me directly 443-375-8353

Photo included,  Engine with exchanger, muffler, control panel (new  
gauges) Fresh water cooled

New rear seal, new accessory seal, carp, electronic ignition, belt  
tensioner, 55 amp alt.

2K

Thank you

Quoting Jeffrey Randall via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org>:

> My A-4 is tired and in need of help.  Did you do the rebuild?  What are you
> asking for the engine?
>
> Jeff Randall
> 296 Yankee Star
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> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:26 PM Bill of Rights #487 via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello everyone, I am a long time A30 owner and also had a Tartan 34-2
>> for 10 years, I just recently sold that boat.
>>
>> I'm putting all my efforts back into #487 "Bill of Rights" this year! Yea!
>>
>> I am re-powering to a 25HP Vetus engine with a 2:1 hearth gear and
>> just wanted to hear what others have "sized" for a 2 blade sailor prop
>> on other diesel conversions?
>>
>> The At-4 engine was rebuilt and has less than 10 hrs.  Any interested
>> parties should reach out to me
>>
>> I'm also getting a new suit of sails from Precision, #400 series! Does
>> anyone have any experience or suggestions would be helpful  Main w/ 2
>> reefs,  135# headsail w luff  ??????????
>>
>> New interior cushions!
>>
>> Boat still has some deck issues and I'll have to fix that as I go
>>
>> Hope to catch up with like-minded a-30 sailors this summer on the bay.
>> I am securing a slip on the Magothy River so I'll be closer to my home
>> and sail some new waters this summer!
>>
>> Thanks  Scott
>>
>>
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