[Public-List] best prop for A30

Greenhouse, Matthew A. (GSFC-665.0)[EMERITUS] matt.greenhouse at nasa.gov
Thu Feb 29 14:37:18 PST 2024 

Sue -- If your Westerbeke diesel is direct drive (i.e., 1:1) then the indigo prop is the best choice: https://www.atomic4.com/propeller.html

Matt Greenhouse
Friendship 295



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Today's Topics:

   1. Propeller Question (Sue Pilling)
   2. Re: Propeller Question (Mike Lehman)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:26:51 +0000
From: Sue Pilling <pillings at hotmail.com>
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Even though I have a 25hp Westerbeke diesel, I found my Alberg would sometimes hardly make way against wind/waves.
It is a three blade prop, not sure of diameter and pitch as not near boat.
Wondered who to ask re this
Thanks Sue. (A30 #63)

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 5:18?PM, Markus Hutzler via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> ?I made the conversation last year and I?m getting lower speeds. I have a 1:2 gear (belt) and i?m using some random prop the boat came with. This said, I?m not concerned about range. I just need to get in an out of the mooring and have some backup in emergencies.
>
> 10A (550W): 2.2 kn
> 20A (1.1kW): 2.8 kn
> 40A (2.2kW): 3.3 kn
>
> I will record some more numbers once the ice melts.
>
> Cheers, Markus
>
>> On Feb 4, 2024, at 16:28, Hugh McCormack via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?Good day all,
>>
>> I know that there are some Albergs that have been converted to electric motor propulsion and I am contemplating this myself since the original inboard Graymarine has issues that are not worth fixing.
>>
>> In searching through the list archives I have found some useful information but one bit of helpful data seems to be hard to find.  This applies not just to Alberg conversions but to those on other manufacturers' boats as well.  What I am looking for is a table or graph showing the relationship between motor wattage draw and boat speed through the water and/or shaft rpm (which, with details about the prop, can be converted to boat speed).  Has anyone here who has converted to electric propulsion recorded this data for their boat under various conditions?
>>
>> One motor supplier gave me the following (which helps to a point but was derived in calm water from a "similar" boat):
>> 3.5 knots - ~1000 watts (~20 amps)
>> 4.5 knots - ~2000 watts (~40 amps)
>> 5.5 knots - ~5000-6000 watts (~100-125 amps)
>> 6 knots (hull speed) - ~12,000-15,0000 watts (~250-312 amps) Most can
>> only provide motor data from a test bench which has no connection to real operating conditions with influences such as prop pitch/diameter/# of blades, and boat hydrodynamics when motoring into a headwind or in choppy seas.
>>
>> Having this data will help me determine optimum battery bank capacity which then determines bank size and associated costs.
>>
>> Thanks in advance if you can help.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Hugh
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 14:33:15 -0500
From: Mike Lehman <mlehman at gmail.com>
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Next time I'm at my boat, I'll check the diameter and pitch. I have a Universal M430 (30 HP) and have no speed issues. I changed the original prop when I repowered. I'll send you a picture of the prop.

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024, 2:27?PM Sue Pilling via Public-List < public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:

> Even though I have a 25hp Westerbeke diesel, I found my Alberg would
> sometimes hardly make way against wind/waves.
> It is a three blade prop, not sure of diameter and pitch as not near boat.
> Wondered who to ask re this
> Thanks Sue. (A30 #63)
>
> > On Feb 19, 2024, at 5:18?PM, Markus Hutzler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?I made the conversation last year and I?m getting lower speeds. I
> > have
> a 1:2 gear (belt) and i?m using some random prop the boat came with.
> This said, I?m not concerned about range. I just need to get in an out
> of the mooring and have some backup in emergencies.
> >
> > 10A (550W): 2.2 kn
> > 20A (1.1kW): 2.8 kn
> > 40A (2.2kW): 3.3 kn
> >
> > I will record some more numbers once the ice melts.
> >
> > Cheers, Markus
> >
> >> On Feb 4, 2024, at 16:28, Hugh McCormack via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Good day all,
> >>
> >> I know that there are some Albergs that have been converted to
> >> electric
> motor propulsion and I am contemplating this myself since the original
> inboard Graymarine has issues that are not worth fixing.
> >>
> >> In searching through the list archives I have found some useful
> information but one bit of helpful data seems to be hard to find.
> This applies not just to Alberg conversions but to those on other manufacturers'
> boats as well.  What I am looking for is a table or graph showing the
> relationship between motor wattage draw and boat speed through the
> water and/or shaft rpm (which, with details about the prop, can be
> converted to boat speed).  Has anyone here who has converted to
> electric propulsion recorded this data for their boat under various conditions?
> >>
> >> One motor supplier gave me the following (which helps to a point
> >> but
> was derived in calm water from a "similar" boat):
> >> 3.5 knots - ~1000 watts (~20 amps)
> >> 4.5 knots - ~2000 watts (~40 amps)
> >> 5.5 knots - ~5000-6000 watts (~100-125 amps)
> >> 6 knots (hull speed) - ~12,000-15,0000 watts (~250-312 amps) Most
> >> can only provide motor data from a test bench which has no
> connection to real operating conditions with influences such as prop
> pitch/diameter/# of blades, and boat hydrodynamics when motoring into
> a headwind or in choppy seas.
> >>
> >> Having this data will help me determine optimum battery bank
> >> capacity
> which then determines bank size and associated costs.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance if you can help.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Hugh
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