[Public-List] Rudder Stuffing Box
Jonathan Bresler
262alberg30 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 24 11:15:24 PDT 2024
Pier-André,
Thank you for the details on the lines connecting the CapHorn self
steering.
The access that opening provides is remarkable.
Jonathan
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 11:27 PM Pier-Andre Bouchard St-Amant via
Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> I hope you are well.
>
> The system you describe is the hidden part of the CapHorn self-steering
> system. The « clutch », two apparent lines above the cockpit floor, can be
> seen left on the picture. When the clutch is tightened, the connections
> under the floor become binding and the movements of the windvane are
> transferred to the rudder.
>
> The picture does not make it obvious that it is a transmission. The rudder
> is not there, nor is the connector attaching the lines to the rudder. The
> complete mechanism can be seen in this picture <
> https://jeandusud.com/data/index.php/s/5CamrYLK8ZSExEB> taken a few days
> ago, when I finished the reassembly.
>
> From the exterior, the CapHorn is quite elegant, as there is nothing
> except a stainless steel tube stemming out of the transom. This elegance
> requires a few contorsions to repair at sea but, as opposed to other
> brands, it can be repaired at sea. A CapHorn windvane forbids an outboard
> install in the aft lazarette or a liferaft installed aft. That is a
> trade-off that suits me 100%, but it may not be acceptable for others.
>
> The « open/cut floor » concept makes indeed access easy. When I installed
> the engine, it made all the work in that area much easier, most notably the
> engine/shaft/sterntube/aperture alignment. Once in the water, I still have
> to align the engine a second time, check how the engine behaves under load
> (warranty activation) and further check if the exhaust/waterlock blocks the
> windvane transmission. Once these tasks are done, the floor will be screwed
> and sealed again.
>
> I inherited from the « open floor » design. I have other priorities
> (notably sailing!), but if I ever have to put efforts on the cockpit floor,
> my starting point for a new design would be what is on Bill McCoy’s hull.
>
> Best,
>
> Pier, #399
>
> p.s. : Jean-du-Sud will be splashed July 3rd, hopefully with the
> electrical upgrade finished and her name on the hull.
>
> --
> Pr Pier-André Bouchard St-Amant
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> > Le 22 juin 2024 à 21:57, Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a écrit :
> >
> > Pier-André,
> >
> > That opening (
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CyWga8kOJ1V/?igsh=M2I2anppcnczOXBr
> > )
> > makes access easy.....but what is the purpose of the line, several blocks
> > and cam cleats
> > that are located at and under the aft end of the cockpit?
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 7:11 PM Pier-André Bouchard St-Amant via
> > Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Another paradigm for accessing the stuffing box and the back of the
> engine:
> >>
> >> https://www.instagram.com/p/CyWga8kOJ1V/?igsh=M2I2anppcnczOXBr
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Pier #399
> >>
> >> Le 21 juin 2024 18 h 52 min 51 s HAE, Mike Lehman via Public-List <
> >> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> a écrit :
> >>> Been there, done that many times...last time was in the port sail
> >>> locker...I started thinking that I was going to celebrate my next
> birthday
> >>> there which was ONLY 7 months away.
> >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2024, 6:42 PM John Irving via Public-List <
> >>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I agree, getting out is definitely the worst. I made it out though
> Judy
> >>>> last week. For a while I was really wishing I had my cell phone, not
> >> that
> >>>> I could have reached it! We A30 owners are a tough bunch!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, June 21, 2024, 2:16 PM, David A. Bardsley via Public-List <
> >>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm a glutton for punishment and squeezed my 50yo 6'1" 230lbs body
> >> into
> >>>> the stern lazarette to repack the rudder stuffing box, and remove the
> >>>> deck hardware for deck core repairs. Once you're in, the work goes
> >>>> easily enough. The key is thoroughly plan the work in advance to
> >>>> minimize the number of excursions in and out.
> >>>> First time getting in, then out, is the hardest. There is a
> technique
> >>>> to reorienting oneself from upright to on your side, and vice versa.
> >> I
> >>>> recognize this approach isn't for everyone; it's a given that you
> must
> >>>> not be claustrophobic, and have a certain degree of flexibility.
> >>>> I recognize this technique is not for everyone, but it served me
> well.
> >>>> YMMV
> >>>> Dave
> >>>> Ginseng #574
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 21, 2024 13:00, John Irving via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Not on a liner boat, but I was finally able to access it through
> the
> >>>> stern hatch but had some difficulty getting back out!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> >>>>
> >>>> On Friday, June 21, 2024, 11:01 AM, Clay Pass via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sounds like most are referring to access to rear engine and
> >>>> propeller stuffing box but rudder box is further aft and accessed
> >>>> through port locker.
> >>>>
> >>>> Clay
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 21, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Clay Pass <clay.q.pass at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Go into the port side locker and cut an access hole or remove
> >>>> some of the lower inside panel to gain access. I used a plumbing
> >>>> adjustable spanner wrench to tighten.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Clay
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 7:10 PM, Glenn Brooks via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Good job! I did the same thing, except needed to replace the
> >>>> entire floor due to some water logged soft spots. The hatch gave me
> >>>> complete access to the back of the engine and hull right back to
> the
> >>>> lazerrete. My 60 yo iron and rubber hose exhaust system was rotted
> >>>> and ready to fail, shift cables need replacing the next season, and
> >>>> rudder stuffing box needed new packing. Easy peasy working thru the
> >>>> hatch.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also relocated the battery bank under the floor, so moved it out
> >>>> of the bilge and onto a new shelf above waterline. Very nice to
> know
> >>>> I wouldn’t short out my electrical system with high water in the
> >>>> bilge. Best upgrade I ever did on the boat.
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 3:48 PM, John Johnston via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had the same issue and ended up cutting an appropriately 18x
> >>>> 21” opening, reframed the cockpit floor accordingly and installed a
> >>>> hatch that gives me access to the stuffing box and also the rear of
> >>>> my Westerbeke diesel. No regrets-
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Jeff Randall via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sorry. After doing poorly executed hot boat yoga and saying
> >>>> words that earned me soap, I finally resorted to cutting a working
> >>>> port in the cockpit floor. Yes water can invade the bilge in green
> >>>> seas but it is highly unlikely. I can now adjust the reversing
> gear
> >>>> while actually seeing into the box and adjust the stuffing box any
> >>>> damn time I want. Many would say that floor integrity is
> >>>> compromised. Not sure. Good luck
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jeff Randall. Yankee Star 296
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 16:38, John Irving via Public-List
> >>>> <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestion on how to tighten the rudder
> >>>> stuffing box on a 1979 A30 liner boat? On wooden boats we didn’t
> >>>> want to haul we’d dive down with handfuls of sawdust for leaks that
> >>>> would get sucked in and swell up and stop the leak. I’m not sure
> >>>> about a stuffing box though.
> >>>>>>>>> John Irving
> >>>>>>>>> Scotch Bonnet
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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