[Public-list] Roller furling sails

Tue Jan 11 19:05:18 PST 2005

Thanks - just got it and yes I do sail out of RCYC. I have been a member for
a couple of years but just bought #500 in August. Am (i.e me and others)
doing a lot of work on her this winter, including deckwork and a new engine
(it turns out the A4 will cost too much to repair).
As I was writing this reply a light went on in my head and I recalled seeing
your name somewhere - just checked Kwasind (the monthly RCYC magazine) and
found it - your presentation re your role as historical consultant for
"Master & Commander" next Monday Jan 17! I will definitely see you there! 

Chris Lawrence
24 Scarborough Road
Toronto, Canada M4E 3M5
T: 416-698-5136 F: 416-698-8953 E: chris.lawrence at sympatico.ca

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
Sent: 11 January 2005 21:45
To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
Subject: Re: [Public-list] Roller furling sails

Hi there - 

I forgot to write the message before hitting 'send' - sorry about the last
blank message.

Chris - I just faxed you a sketch of what I did about our outhaul.  And I
forget; do you sail out of RCYC?

Cheers - Gord 

> Gord
> Thanks to you for your earlier advice re Ron Lopes at Triton - I have 
> ordered a new 135% headsail and shaeffer 1100 from him and look fwd to 
> using it soon! Was wondering whether you had any pictures or a diagram 
> of how you have rigged your 4:1 outhaul. I am trying to rig an outhaul 
> and would appreciate any advice you or others have, preferably that 
> leads back to the cockpit as I do a lot of single-handed sailing.
> Best regards
> 
> Chris Lawrence
> Cirrus #500
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org 
> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
> Sent: 01 October 2004 07:21
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Roller furling sails
> 
> 
> Hi there -
> 
> We race and cruise Surprise on Georgian Bay - upper Great Lakes.
> 
> I had a 140 made to put on the Harken roller furler our boat is fitted 
> with. The furler works fine - and the sail....well it transformed my 
> opinion of the boat.  I wish now that I had bought a slightly larger 
> one, a 150 would have been better.  I guess we became traumatized (and 
> disapointed) during that first season with this boat sailing under a 
> blown out 170 that laid us on our ear in 12 knots of breeze.
> 
> We have found that mainsail draught is important...carrying too much 
> draught in it in a breeze while beating just puts the brakes on. 
> (Excessive weather
> helm) We now have a 4:1 outhaul that leads to a point on the boom near the
> gooseneck so we can adjust it on any point of sail.  Some day I will order
a
> new main.  I have been faithfull to the Fernandes family of Triton sails
all
> my life.  The son now runs the loft since the passing of Joe, the father.
> Joe was the top sailmaker for the Lake Ontario Alberg fleet back in the
days
> when the A30 was a hot one-design up here
> 
> We had the sail fitted with a light dacron UV shield - I hate the 
> weight and curl you get from floppy Sunbrella.  Also - we never "reef" 
> the sail on the furler.  That kills it quickly and besides, the sail 
> shape you get is horrible so we carry a 110 % jib to change down to in 
> heavy conditions.
> 
> We race in a PHRF fleet and can win or place if conditions favour us.  
> There is only one Alberg 30 in our club, but as they will not be 
> persuaded to race we are out there every week duking it out with boats 
> less than half our weight, longer waterlines and bigger rigs.
> 
> "Conditions that favour us" are those that combine flat water, light 
> air and lots of reaching.  Some people are surprised at how we can 
> shift along in ghosting conditions...well the answer is that going 
> slowly means that our short waterline is not a factor; and with our 
> great weight and narrow slippery hull once we get her moving we just 
> don't stop.  We accelerate more slowly but can glide through lulls and 
> keep our speed up in tacks very well.
> 
> We do tend to loose ground on the beats, and gain it again off the 
> wind. Funny thing is this is the precise opposite of what the old 
> wooden Folkboat was capable of; despite the fact that she was also a 
> heavy full keeled boat with a relatively short waterline and it took 
> me a long time to get used to what we deal with now.  The big diff of 
> course is the Folkboat was stiff as a house, could tack through 80 
> degrees and could carry sail like nothing else on the water; the 
> Alberg despite its many positives cannot count stiffness and 
> weatherliness as two of them.
> 
> On the beats we concentrate on getting the most of what the boat is 
> capable of to minimize our disadvantage, and also concentrate on being 
> as evil and clever as possible tactically so as to be "lucky" as 
> possible with regard to lifts and shifts.
> 
> A big boost this past season was the flowering of my elder son Peter 
> and his friend Duncan as mast and foredeck men... I have grown to 
> expect that the spinnaker will go up seconds after rounding the 
> windward mark; and we have the courage to carry it to within yards of 
> the other end.
> 
> Gord Surpise #426
> 
>> I'll let someone who sails the Great Lakes answer, then.  On the 
>> Chesapeake Bay, I'm often glad to have a big genny.
>> 
>> - George
>> 
>> Chris Lawrence wrote:
>>> Great lakes and sailing mostly, thanks
>>> 
>>> Chris Lawrence
>>> 24 Scarborough Road
>>> Toronto, Canada M4E 3M5
>>> T: 416-698-5136 F: 416-698-8953 E: chris.lawrence at sympatico.ca
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org 
>>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of George 
>>> Dinwiddie
>>> Sent: 30 September 2004 09:33
>>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Roller furling sails
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where are your cruising grounds?  The prevailing winds make a big 
>>> difference in sail choice.  Also, what are your preferences on 
>>> sailing vs. motoring?
>>> 
>>>  - George
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:37:12PM -0400, Chris Lawrence wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Has anyone recently put on roller furling and had a sail made for 
>>>> one? Any advice or comments re make of furling and size of sail 
>>>> would be appreciated - my thoughts are a mid-sized headsail is 
>>>> probably best if one is strictly cruising.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Lawrence
>>>> Cirrus #500
>>> 
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