[Public-list] Roller furling sails
Don Campbell
dk.campbell at sympatico.ca
Tue Jan 11 19:42:12 PST 2005
Chris;
I have a 10 :1 outhaul that exits both sides of the boom at the cockpit. I
go from the eye at the outer end of the boom to a 2500 lb WL block on the clew
of the sail to a 1200 lb WL through boom block at the outer end of the boom in
the bottom of the groove with a spectre line that ends on the shackle of a 600
lb WL triple in the boom. I also have a 600 lb WL double in the boom tethered
with a cable from an eye at the front inside of the boom to the shackle so that
there is about 30" between blocks. I then run a spectre line from one side of
the boom through a small 150 lb WL through boom on the flat faceof it to the
outer on the triple, then to the double, to the centre of the triple, to the
other side of the double, back to the triple and then exit the other side of
the boom with a second exit block. The exits are offset about 18" and there are
two small cam cleats aft of the exits to cleat the outhaul. The basic set-up is
in the H***** catalogue but you could use any similar blocks. The double and
triple amount to a 5:1 and the block on the sail clew doubles it. I have no
problems adjusting a main in any weather and to any small adjustment on any
point of sail. We race in Slumber Bay, Toronto but sail out of Port Dover, so
this definitely works for the lower Great Lakes.
If you have not already replaced the rivets holding the end plates at both
ends of the boom with round headed machine screws, I suggest you do that now to
avoid having them shear under load, which they have been known to do. You only
need to tap the end plates as the boom fits over them by about an inch or so.
That way you have access to the inside of the boom to thread the spaghetti.
If you need more, e-mail me off list. I will be in Toronto on the 22nd for
the Great Lakes Alberg Association annual meeting at the National YC. It is a
good place to meet a group of Alberg sailors and get the information you are
wanting first hand.
Don # 528
Chris Lawrence wrote:
> Thanks - just got it and yes I do sail out of RCYC. I have been a member for
> a couple of years but just bought #500 in August. Am (i.e me and others)
> doing a lot of work on her this winter, including deckwork and a new engine
> (it turns out the A4 will cost too much to repair).
> As I was writing this reply a light went on in my head and I recalled seeing
> your name somewhere - just checked Kwasind (the monthly RCYC magazine) and
> found it - your presentation re your role as historical consultant for
> "Master & Commander" next Monday Jan 17! I will definitely see you there!
>
> Chris Lawrence
> 24 Scarborough Road
> Toronto, Canada M4E 3M5
> T: 416-698-5136 F: 416-698-8953 E: chris.lawrence at sympatico.ca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
> Sent: 11 January 2005 21:45
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Roller furling sails
>
> Hi there -
>
> I forgot to write the message before hitting 'send' - sorry about the last
> blank message.
>
> Chris - I just faxed you a sketch of what I did about our outhaul. And I
> forget; do you sail out of RCYC?
>
> Cheers - Gord
>
> > Gord
> > Thanks to you for your earlier advice re Ron Lopes at Triton - I have
> > ordered a new 135% headsail and shaeffer 1100 from him and look fwd to
> > using it soon! Was wondering whether you had any pictures or a diagram
> > of how you have rigged your 4:1 outhaul. I am trying to rig an outhaul
> > and would appreciate any advice you or others have, preferably that
> > leads back to the cockpit as I do a lot of single-handed sailing.
> > Best regards
> >
> > Chris Lawrence
> > Cirrus #500
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> > [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Laco
> > Sent: 01 October 2004 07:21
> > To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> > Subject: Re: [Public-list] Roller furling sails
> >
> >
> > Hi there -
> >
> > We race and cruise Surprise on Georgian Bay - upper Great Lakes.
> >
> > I had a 140 made to put on the Harken roller furler our boat is fitted
> > with. The furler works fine - and the sail....well it transformed my
> > opinion of the boat. I wish now that I had bought a slightly larger
> > one, a 150 would have been better. I guess we became traumatized (and
> > disapointed) during that first season with this boat sailing under a
> > blown out 170 that laid us on our ear in 12 knots of breeze.
> >
> > We have found that mainsail draught is important...carrying too much
> > draught in it in a breeze while beating just puts the brakes on.
> > (Excessive weather
> > helm) We now have a 4:1 outhaul that leads to a point on the boom near the
> > gooseneck so we can adjust it on any point of sail. Some day I will order
> a
> > new main. I have been faithfull to the Fernandes family of Triton sails
> all
> > my life. The son now runs the loft since the passing of Joe, the father.
> > Joe was the top sailmaker for the Lake Ontario Alberg fleet back in the
> days
> > when the A30 was a hot one-design up here
> >
> > We had the sail fitted with a light dacron UV shield - I hate the
> > weight and curl you get from floppy Sunbrella. Also - we never "reef"
> > the sail on the furler. That kills it quickly and besides, the sail
> > shape you get is horrible so we carry a 110 % jib to change down to in
> > heavy conditions.
> >
> > We race in a PHRF fleet and can win or place if conditions favour us.
> > There is only one Alberg 30 in our club, but as they will not be
> > persuaded to race we are out there every week duking it out with boats
> > less than half our weight, longer waterlines and bigger rigs.
> >
> > "Conditions that favour us" are those that combine flat water, light
> > air and lots of reaching. Some people are surprised at how we can
> > shift along in ghosting conditions...well the answer is that going
> > slowly means that our short waterline is not a factor; and with our
> > great weight and narrow slippery hull once we get her moving we just
> > don't stop. We accelerate more slowly but can glide through lulls and
> > keep our speed up in tacks very well.
> >
> > We do tend to loose ground on the beats, and gain it again off the
> > wind. Funny thing is this is the precise opposite of what the old
> > wooden Folkboat was capable of; despite the fact that she was also a
> > heavy full keeled boat with a relatively short waterline and it took
> > me a long time to get used to what we deal with now. The big diff of
> > course is the Folkboat was stiff as a house, could tack through 80
> > degrees and could carry sail like nothing else on the water; the
> > Alberg despite its many positives cannot count stiffness and
> > weatherliness as two of them.
> >
> > On the beats we concentrate on getting the most of what the boat is
> > capable of to minimize our disadvantage, and also concentrate on being
> > as evil and clever as possible tactically so as to be "lucky" as
> > possible with regard to lifts and shifts.
> >
> > A big boost this past season was the flowering of my elder son Peter
> > and his friend Duncan as mast and foredeck men... I have grown to
> > expect that the spinnaker will go up seconds after rounding the
> > windward mark; and we have the courage to carry it to within yards of
> > the other end.
> >
> > Gord Surpise #426
> >
> >> I'll let someone who sails the Great Lakes answer, then. On the
> >> Chesapeake Bay, I'm often glad to have a big genny.
> >>
> >> - George
> >>
> >> Chris Lawrence wrote:
> >>> Great lakes and sailing mostly, thanks
> >>>
> >>> Chris Lawrence
> >>> 24 Scarborough Road
> >>> Toronto, Canada M4E 3M5
> >>> T: 416-698-5136 F: 416-698-8953 E: chris.lawrence at sympatico.ca
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: public-list-bounces at alberg30.org
> >>> [mailto:public-list-bounces at alberg30.org] On Behalf Of George
> >>> Dinwiddie
> >>> Sent: 30 September 2004 09:33
> >>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> >>> Subject: Re: [Public-list] Roller furling sails
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Where are your cruising grounds? The prevailing winds make a big
> >>> difference in sail choice. Also, what are your preferences on
> >>> sailing vs. motoring?
> >>>
> >>> - George
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 08:37:12PM -0400, Chris Lawrence wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Has anyone recently put on roller furling and had a sail made for
> >>>> one? Any advice or comments re make of furling and size of sail
> >>>> would be appreciated - my thoughts are a mid-sized headsail is
> >>>> probably best if one is strictly cruising.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris Lawrence
> >>>> Cirrus #500
> >>>
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