[alberg30] Digest Number 751
Hugh Freebairn
hughfree at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 11 22:32:52 PST 2000
Fellow Albergers
Does Joe Fernandes have an e-mail address? I'd like to get a quote from him
to make a working jib. I can't telephone since its $5.00 a minute from
where I am living now.
Hugh Freebairn
A30, "Aliage"
>From: alberg30 at egroups.com
>Reply-To: alberg30 at egroups.com
>To: alberg30 at egroups.com
>Subject: [alberg30] Digest Number 751
>Date: 9 Dec 2000 08:28:10 -0000
>
>
>There are 10 messages in this issue.
>
>Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RE: Anchor weights / size
> From: "Bob Lincoln" <lincoln at cc.umanitoba.ca>
> 2. FURLING AND SALS
> From: "DAVID MCFARLANE" <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
> 3. RF Genoa
> From: "shawn orr" <shawnwilliam at msn.com>
> 4. Re: FURLING AND SALS
> From: John Birch <sunstone at idirect.com>
> 5. Re: FURLING AND SALS
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
> 6. Fw: FURLING AND SALS
> From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
> 7. Re: RF Genoa
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
> 8. Re: Pearson returns like the Phoenix
> From: finnus505 at aol.com
> 9. Kids and sailing
> From: Marianne King-Wilson <addvalue at zeuter.com>
> 10. Re: Kids and sailing
> From: "John Bailey" <baileyje at voyager.net>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:31:40 -0600
> From: "Bob Lincoln" <lincoln at cc.umanitoba.ca>
>Subject: RE: Anchor weights / size
>
>To all the Bobs (no pun intended), thanks for the
>information on Danforths. I suspect the reason my 10kg
>Bruce dragged was due partly to the lack of room for
>adequate scope, but also the clay and stone bottom. I
>reset it four times and each time the boat slowly
>dragged. As I pulled it up there would be a
>bowling-ball sized lump of clay and round stones packed
>into the area between the flukes, which I had to scrape
>off with my hands before I could reset it. Finally I
>moved the boat to a more protected area away from the
>other anchored boats with a sand bottom and had no more
>problems that night.
>Bob Lincoln
>Indigo #590
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:55:43 -0000
> From: "DAVID MCFARLANE" <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: FURLING AND SALS
>
>HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
>DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
>SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
>ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:58:53 -0000
> From: "shawn orr" <shawnwilliam at msn.com>
>Subject: RF Genoa
>
>Does anyone have a roller furling 150% genoa they would like to
>sell. I would like to buy into the group purchase for the ProFurl.
>
>Shawn W. Orr
>IL Molino #307
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 11:10:52 -0500
> From: John Birch <sunstone at idirect.com>
>Subject: Re: FURLING AND SALS
>
>David;
>
>Joe Fernandese Triton Sails 905 891-8166 - Mississaugga - Schaffer 1100
>furler - buy it from him. His prices are extremely fair and the quality of
>work excellent. I bought my entire new sail inventory from him for Sunstone
>and he also built the the sails for Albergs when he was with the Taylor
>loft.
>I have a Schaffer, best looking furler of the lot, twin grooves, strong and
>works flawlessly US built (NAFTA), employee owned company.
>
>No one who has taken my advice on these products has expressed anything but
>satisfaction - I have no financial relationship with Joe or Schaffer by the
>way.
>
>Cheers,
>
>John.
>
>DAVID MCFARLANE wrote:
>
> > HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
> > DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
> > SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
> > ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
> >
>
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:13:28 -0500
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
>Subject: Re: FURLING AND SALS
>
>David -
>
>Back in the days of my youth when Alberg 30's were a lively one-design
>racing class, Joe Fernandes of Triton Sails was the best sailmaker for our
>boats. (Yeah, everybody had there favourites), He's still in business in
>Mississaga Ont.
>
>Gord KC426 Surprise
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: DAVID MCFARLANE <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>To: <alberg30 at egroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:55 AM
>Subject: [alberg30] FURLING AND SALS
>
>
> > HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
> > DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
> > SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
> > ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:54:16 -0500
> From: "Douglas Wight" <doug at recorder.ca>
>Subject: Fw: FURLING AND SALS
>
>David: Yahoo advises the address given is incorrect so have posted my reply
>to the A30 web-site. Doug.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Douglas Wight <doug at recorder.ca>
>To: <ROSE AU RUE at YAHOO.COM>
>Sent: 8-Dec-00 11:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [alberg30] FURLING AND SALS
>
>
> > David: Give Graham Moss a call at Windjammer Sails, Kingston. That is
>who
> > I bought my Profurl through and I was very happy with the service and
> > installation.
> > His "phone number is 613,389,4349.His web-site is in GAM.
> > Regards, Doug Wight, OWLET #603.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DAVID MCFARLANE <ROSE_AU_RUE at YAHOO.COM>
> > To: <alberg30 at egroups.com>
> > Sent: 8-Dec-00 10:55 AM
> > Subject: [alberg30] FURLING AND SALS
> >
> >
> > > HI GUYS.ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A REASONABLE AND REPUTABLE
> > > DEALER TO PURCHASE NEW SAILS FOR MY ALBERG 30 AS WELL AS A FURLING
> > > SYSTEM.I AM HOPING YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TAKE THE GUESSWORK AWAY FROM
> > > ME. I SAIL ON LAKE ONTARIO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:48:23 -0500
> From: "Gord Laco" <gord at transatmarine.com>
>Subject: Re: RF Genoa
>
>Hello Shawn -
>
>I have a mitre-cut 150 that I would like to trade for a jib...
>
>Gord Surprise KC426
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: shawn orr <shawnwilliam at msn.com>
>To: <alberg30 at egroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:58 AM
>Subject: [alberg30] RF Genoa
>
>
> > Does anyone have a roller furling 150% genoa they would like to
> > sell. I would like to buy into the group purchase for the ProFurl.
> >
> > Shawn W. Orr
> > IL Molino #307
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:48:57 EST
> From: finnus505 at aol.com
>Subject: Re: Pearson returns like the Phoenix
>
>In a message dated 12/7/00 11:12:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>tristan at one.net
>writes:
>
><<
> What is the answer? I for one, think that we need to get off of our
> collective duffs and visit schools to discuss sailing, show videos or
> slides, get scout groups and community groups interested and involved.
> I have a real concern about the increasingly smaller numbers every year
> of new sailors entering our magical world. Encouraging young people to
> sail, to get out and enjoy nature, to learn a quiet and strong way of
> leadership is to help build and facilitate tomorrow's leaders through
> sailing. If George Bush and Al Gore put >>
>
>Hey Scott,
>Nice surprise to see you on the A30 site. You make a few very compelling
>arguments/suggestions in your letter. The plan to get to kids by talking
>to
>them in school is a good one, and really reveals a much broader problem,
>that
>affects sailing, and us all in all ways.
>
>In the wake of Columbine and similar events, interviews with kids today
>reveal one very major factor in their lives; they are for the most part
>bored
>to tears by the life they lead, and seem to have little concept of how to
>remedy the situation. In the worst cases, kids that would have emotional
>problems regardless of what their environment was, get into a state of mind
>that lets them beleive that killing people is the only appropriate remedy
>to
>end their fustrations.
>
>It is simply unbeleivably and tragicaly ironic that this state of affairs
>can
>coexist with the internet and tv, which puts all the information of the
>world, literaly, at their fingertips. All the things that young minds
>should
>be immersed in, from art, science, history, etc etc, to show ;them what a
>big
>world it is, and tospark their curiosity, and help them discover where
>their
>many talents lie, and which ones they wish to pursue to fulfil them are
>there
>for the taking, but put most kids in front of a PC today, and the best
>video
>games and the best porn are the two main, and often only things they turn
>on.
>
>
>Its guidance that these kids need, pure and simple. All kids are not
>destined to be Rhodes scholars,certainly, but there is much that could give
>them more satisfying and fullfilling things to fill out their lives.
>
>My earliest memories are of going to the Museum of Natural History,
>Metropolitan Museum of Art, etc. etc. with my folks. This wasn't done as a
>chore-I had no lessons to memorize about the trips afterwards-where we were
>going to have lunch was as big a part of the day as the huge elephants and
>other exhibits we were going to see. But in the fun, it was all
>interesting.
> By the time I got to High School, I had so many interests, from astronomy
>to
>debating, etc, drugs and mindless vandalism and violence were never a
>consideration. The time we spent on the boat from the time I could walk
>cultivated my interest and later obsession with the maritime world.
>
>Its the two job family, single parent family, etc. that keeps parents from
>giving the time to their kids that the kids need, in most cases. That is
>not
>going to change. I know my folks were the exception, rather than the rule
>in
>the middle class neighborhood in Brooklyn, NY where I grew up.
>
>Schools have kids in their grasp from 9 to 3, 10 months a year, from age 6
>or
>so on. There is an opportunity there to show kids the world, and turn them
>on. Smaller class sizes, lots of school trips, guidance councelors there
>for
>kids that begin to fall behind due to poor family situations etc. etc.is
>the
>logical approach to get to the kids, and get them interested.
>
>More conservative people may say it is not the role of public schools to
>teach kids about culture, civics, expose them to ethics etc, to get them
>thinking; that is the role of parents, according to them. In a perfect
>world, of course I would agree. Last time you checked, was this a perfect
>world?
>
>This all sounds great, but I know it is not going to happen. Your plan to
>get
>sailors involved in a local, grass roots type of program is a step in the
>right direction, and even if it is only a few kids that are reached, it
>will
>be better than if no one had done anything at all.
>
>speak soon,
>Lee
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:37:38 -0500
> From: Marianne King-Wilson <addvalue at zeuter.com>
>Subject: Kids and sailing
>
> > Your plan to get
> > sailors involved in a local, grass roots type of program is a step in
>the
> > right direction, and even if it is only a few kids that are reached,
>it will
> > be better than if no one had done anything at all.
> >
>This IS possible! Our little club of fewer than 50 people was formed three
>years
>ago, to bring sailing to Parry Sound on Georgian Bay. (About ten of our
>members
>concentrate their efforts on the school, while the rest are involved in
>race
>management.) We've had great success in attracting sailing races, but the
>real
>surprise was how well the sailing school has done.
>
>In our little town of 6500, with an outlying population of another 25,000,
>augmented by the many thousands of cottagers in this area, we've had no
>trouble
>filling the 200 places in the school each year--mostly with local kids.
>Not only
>that, but 22 boats have been donated outright to the school, including a
>fleet of
>10 new Optis. (The Optimist club has not yet participated by buying
>boats.)
>
>Dozens of local businesses, most of whose proprietors do not sail, have
>helped
>with donations and gifts. The idea of teaching kids to sail really caught
>their
>imagination.
>
>Every adult sailor in the area has chipped in in one way or another.
>The Town gave us a piece of the Town Beach, (parking, washrooms, snack bar,
>lifeguard and lunchtime swimming available) and the Coast Guard let us put
>the
>boats in a fenced enclosure at night.
>
>Now we have developed homegrown instructors. The lessons have extended
>into the
>evenings, and we are teaching adults as well.
>This has always been a great boating town, but now these people and their
>kids,
>are learning to sail.
>
>Importantly, there are community organizations which will confidentially
>supplement the cost of lessons for kids who need help. The cost is no
>barrier.
>
>When I grew up in this town, kids complained there was nothing to do. I
>had a
>boat, and I was never bored. Today, kids complain there is nothing to do,
>and
>then they discover sailing! They are on the water, not on the street, and
>not
>watching TV.
>
>Our motto is "a better community through sailing", and a major part of that
>is
>that children learn all the skills and confidence and self-reliance of
>sailing,
>and they have an enhanced sense of self-worth.
>I'm preaching to the converted, here, I realize. But only a few people can
>make
>a powerful difference; you'd be amazed!
>
>Marianne King-Wilson---Windward #369
>http://www.SailParrySound.on.ca
>
>
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>
>
>
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>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:26:02 -0500
> From: "John Bailey" <baileyje at voyager.net>
>Subject: Re: Kids and sailing
>
>I would like to make two points about kid's programs and Parry Sound.
>
>First, as a high school principal with 29 years in education, I cannot
>agree more with the principle that programs like these are the best thing
>we all can do for our children. It has very little to do with sailing and
>everything to do with providing an exciting positive activity run by adults
>for children. It is important that kids see us adults as providing an
>activity that is exciting to them and shows the adults in a positive light.
> The little leagues of the world in which the parents argue all the time
>become very destructive to kids in the long run. The world would be better
>off without these programs. In my town both Little League Baseball and
>Football are dying an agonizing death due to adults who would rather have
>the kids win than have fun. In the meantime two new programs, soccer and
>hockey, have grown tremendously. I have six kids. While none of them
>played hockey, all have played soccer. In the hundreds of games I've
>attended I have never heard one discouraging word directed at a player,
>coach or official. It is not allowed by rules and the league officials
>have backed the rules by not letting negative adults participate. In a
>small town (3,500 with 10,000 in the surrounding area) this is a difficult
>thing to do. Our league does it to the great benefit of the kids. As a
>result we have over 1,000 kids involved in soccer and probably that many
>involved in hockey. Kudos to Parry Sound for their program. I have
>visited Parry Sound twice. I hope I get to visit Parry Sound again and see
>this program in action.
>
>Second, I am new to sailing but I am familiar with the North
>Channel/Georgian Bay area by way of sea kayaking. It is my favourite place
>on earth and anyone interested in sea kayaking or sailing should visit this
>area at least one time in their life. It doesn't surprise me that Parry
>Sound has a good program for kids in their town. As impressed as I am with
>the natural beauty of the area, I am more impressed with the character and
>personality of the Canadians in that part of the country. It is truly a
>superb place to visit. And besides, Parry Sound has the good judgement to
>put an Alberg 30 as the first picture on their web-site.
>
>John Bailey
>"Zevulun" #33
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marianne King-Wilson
> To: alberg30 at egroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:37 PM
> Subject: [alberg30] Kids and sailing
>
>
> > Your plan to get
> > sailors involved in a local, grass roots type of program is a step
>in the
> > right direction, and even if it is only a few kids that are reached,
>it will
> > be better than if no one had done anything at all.
> >
> This IS possible! Our little club of fewer than 50 people was formed
>three years
> ago, to bring sailing to Parry Sound on Georgian Bay. (About ten of our
>members
> concentrate their efforts on the school, while the rest are involved in
>race
> management.) We've had great success in attracting sailing races, but
>the real
> surprise was how well the sailing school has done.
>
> In our little town of 6500, with an outlying population of another
>25,000,
> augmented by the many thousands of cottagers in this area, we've had no
>trouble
> filling the 200 places in the school each year--mostly with local kids.
>Not only
> that, but 22 boats have been donated outright to the school, including a
>fleet of
> 10 new Optis. (The Optimist club has not yet participated by buying
>boats.)
>
> Dozens of local businesses, most of whose proprietors do not sail, have
>helped
> with donations and gifts. The idea of teaching kids to sail really
>caught their
> imagination.
>
> Every adult sailor in the area has chipped in in one way or another.
> The Town gave us a piece of the Town Beach, (parking, washrooms, snack
>bar,
> lifeguard and lunchtime swimming available) and the Coast Guard let us
>put the
> boats in a fenced enclosure at night.
>
> Now we have developed homegrown instructors. The lessons have extended
>into the
> evenings, and we are teaching adults as well.
> This has always been a great boating town, but now these people and
>their kids,
> are learning to sail.
>
> Importantly, there are community organizations which will confidentially
> supplement the cost of lessons for kids who need help. The cost is no
>barrier.
>
> When I grew up in this town, kids complained there was nothing to do. I
>had a
> boat, and I was never bored. Today, kids complain there is nothing to
>do, and
> then they discover sailing! They are on the water, not on the street,
>and not
> watching TV.
>
> Our motto is "a better community through sailing", and a major part of
>that is
> that children learn all the skills and confidence and self-reliance of
>sailing,
> and they have an enhanced sense of self-worth.
> I'm preaching to the converted, here, I realize. But only a few people
>can make
> a powerful difference; you'd be amazed!
>
> Marianne King-Wilson---Windward #369
> http://www.SailParrySound.on.ca
>
>
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